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[Yarak]

I buy American as often as possible but seems my list of American companies to buy from is getting shorter due to their Anti-American stance
Amazing what you can live without when you make up your mind to do so

 

[4rcgoat]

Only 1 shop in this town still sells my "made in usa" work boots. I pay around 100$ extra than some knock offs that look similar, i will continue to buy those boots until they stop supplying them...

 

[sahunter06]

I tried Gulch gear for early season elk two years ago because it’s made in the USA. I called and spoke with the owner about his garments. Brian Tindall developed the pattern, but I wanted to learn more about the material and the reasons why he started his clothing company. Breathable clothing for early season and a great story. He’s also a sportsman, really trying to make an impact with his clothing so I gave it a shot. Believe it works. Not only did I have elk and speed goat walk by me and “look through me “ but whitetails did the same thing. I was surprised. Check him out if you want to support an American made camouflage clothing company.

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[Rob5589]

IMO, what's missing is something between Chinese manufactured and 150-350 dollar US made pants, jackets, shirts, etc.

 

[Vandy321]

It's not only Made in USA pants that folks sell for $150-350...just ask Sitka

 

[roadrunner]

Made in the USA carries a high price tag because everyone likes a good paycheck.

 

[eddielasvegas]

Made in the USA carries a high price tag because everyone likes a good paycheck.

There is some truth to that, but you don't deserve a good paycheck just because you exist. You need to have skills that someone is willing to pay for to get the good paycheck.

Also, executives (or owners) need to be ok (read smaller bonuses or profit growth) with selling $300 pants and making 25% profit instead of 40%. I know most workers in Asia make a few dollars a day for the 100 pairs of $300 pants they make everyday.

This is dated info, but a data point none the less. During most of the 1980's, I worked for Anheuser Busch at one of their breweries. Straight time was ~$11/hour. OT and Sat. were 1.5x and Sundays and holidays were 2x. Pretty good wage 40 years ago. I was in the Teamster's Union. AB had the highest profit per barrel (31 gallons per barrel in case anyone is interested) of beer for most of my eight years there. How could that be if they paid so durn well?


Eddie

 

[mtnbiker208]

As a buyer for a company, country of origin does not dictate quality. Price point does.
As long as america create new products, we will be ok. Let other countries pollute the air and water with our creations(ie make it there, create it here.) Most american companies are not willing to invest in the factories the way that asia has invested in there factories.

in my industry some of the biggest junk there is comes out of the south east USA.

 

[roadrunner]

There is some truth to that, but you won't deserve a good paycheck just because you exist. You need to have skills that someone is willing to pay for to get the good paycheck.

Also, executives (or owners) need to be ok (read smaller bonuses or profit growth) with selling $300 pants and making 25% profit instead of 40%. I know most workers in Asia make a few dollars a day for the 100 pairs of $300 pants they make everyday.

This is dated info, but a data point none the less. During most of the 1980's, I worked for Anheuser Busch at one of their breweries. Straight time was ~$11/hour. OT and Sat. were 1.5x and Sundays and holidays were 2x. Pretty good wage 40 years ago. I was in the Teamster's Union. AB had the highest profit per barrel (31 gallons per barrel in case anyone is interested) of beer for most of my eight years there. How could that be if they paid so durn well?


Eddie

And guess what, those who make and sell the Made in America products are the SME's that deserve the good paycheck just as much as the engineer down the road at the manufacturing plant that produces whatever widget they make. Or, the mechanic that gets you out of a bind on a vacation trip.

It's funny how society believes that it can put a price tag on someone's labor because that think they shouldn't have to pay as much to stretch their own dollars to consume more than the guy who provides the product or service. Big game hunters and oilfield guys are the worst.

Wage is a direct reflection on the price set point. When society decides a commodity isn't worth that much, those who produce it don't get as much.

 

[307]

And guess what, those who make and sell the Made in America products are the SME's that deserve the good paycheck just as much as the engineer down the road at the manufacturing plant that produces whatever widget they make. Or, the mechanic that gets you out of a bind on a vacation trip.

It's funny how society believes that it can put a price tag on someone's labor because that think they shouldn't have to pay as much to stretch their own dollars to consume more than the guy who provides the product or service. Big game hunters and oilfield guys are the worst.

Wage is a direct reflection on the price set point. When society decides a commodity isn't worth that much, those who produce it don't get as much.

Why do you hate capitalism?

 

[Spoonbill]

IMO, what's missing is something between Chinese manufactured and 150-350 dollar US made pants, jackets, shirts, etc.

Carhartt is the only company I can think of that fits this description. The work pants I have are made in Mexico with US materials. Be nice to see more companies following this model.

 

[roadrunner]

Why do you hate capitalism?

So missed the point.

Capitalism is where you keep the majority of your profits as a private business owner and not the gov't. A free market is the application of the principles to supply and demand. As the quantity demanded goes up, so does the price if the supply can't match it. If supply matches quantity demanded, price can still go up, which gives a higher profit and wage (if CEO's and business owner's aren't too greedy). Keep wages low, and the labor pool and talent bucket gets depleted as workers jump ship for a better wage.

Keeping wages low for some to increase the buying power of another is simply a tenet for socialism, which introduces communism...

 

[Poser]

Is there even a Gortex approved manufacture facility in the US? Is there a facility that can consistent combine Gortex, Toray and similar with blended fabrics?

Take for example gaiters. If you want breathable and highly water resistant, is that a product that can be made in the US using breathable fabric? There is the T&K option, but they are using polyurethane lined pack cloth, which is hardly in the breathable category and they lack the buying power or technical capacity to use Gortex or Toray.

 

[btindall]

Is there even a Gortex approved manufacture facility in the US? Is there a facility that can consistent combine Gortex, Toray and similar with blended fabrics?

Take for example gaiters. If you want breathable and highly water resistant, is that a product that can be made in the US using breathable fabric? There is the T&K option, but they are using polyurethane lined pack cloth, which is hardly in the breathable category and they lack the buying power or technical capacity to use Gortex or Toray.

WaterShed in Oregon is a Gortex approved apparel manufacturer.

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[mtwarden]

Sitka’s military line up include Gore jackets and pants that are Berry compliant; maybe they use the above factory. Regardless, there is at least one Gore factory in the US.

 

[307]

So missed the point.

Capitalism is where you keep the majority of your profits as a private business owner and not the gov't. A free market is the application of the principles to supply and demand. As the quantity demanded goes up, so does the price if the supply can't match it. If supply matches quantity demanded, price can still go up, which gives a higher profit and wage (if CEO's and business owner's aren't too greedy). Keep wages low, and the labor pool and talent bucket gets depleted as workers jump ship for a better wage.

Keeping wages low for some to increase the buying power of another is simply a tenet for socialism, which introduces communism...

Supply and demand applies to the labor market as well.

 

[roadrunner]

Supply and demand applies to the labor market as well.

Still missing the point. Your advocating for increased labor to meet the quantity demanded and keeping wages low to keep prices low, for you, because you don't think you should have to pay more. Low wage earners in turn leave for better prospects - the very foundation of Capitalism.

That, my friend, is why the Chinese "garbage" is garbage. Low wage earners to turn out mass production to meet demand at a low price.

 

[307]

Still missing the point. Your advocating for increased labor to meet the quantity demanded and keeping wages low to keep prices low, for you, because you don't think you should have to pay more. Low wage earners in turn leave for better prospects - the very foundation of Capitalism.

That, my friend, is why the Chinese "garbage" is garbage. Low wage earners to turn out mass production to meet demand at a low price.

Country of origin is not a primary indicator of quality. Do you believe the Chinese can produce high quality items if requested?

I'm merely stating that to be paid well, you need to have skills and knowledge which are valuable, not merely reside in the USA. Please stop inserting your misunderstanding for my actual position on the topic.

 

[roadrunner]

I'm merely stating that to be paid well, you need to have skills and knowledge which are valuable, not merely reside in the USA. Please stop inserting your misunderstanding for my actual position on the topic.

Never said anything about a do nothing living wage. Anyone who is involved in the production of an American Made product has just as much right to a good scaled wage as anyone else that is compensated on a scaled system rather than being forced to accept sweat shop wages because you think they shouldn't be paid as much because their output isn't "worthy" enough.

Pay attention and try to keep up...

 

[307]

If said employees have better options that accepting "sweat shop wage" then they should take them.

Easy.

You continue to state my position inaccurately. However, I can tell from the overall quality of your posts that this discussion is likely useless so I'm going to take advantage of the ignore button and "leave the chat." Cheers.