Broken Points System Rambling

[Mojave]

Mojave, What you fail to consider is that the different points systems funnel more money to the game departments.

Have you ever thought;
Why do they require us to buy a license in another state when our chances of drawing are .31%?
(Those are my odds with 20 elk points of drawing one of the top 5 unit tags. )

Or why AZ comes up with a "Point saver" program? At a cost of course.

The F&G departments prioritize Residents and $$$$....and in some cases; Outfitters. They make way more $$ off of non res tags...but they know they can't do that as residents would throw a hissy fit.....so they are left with wringing out as much $$$ as they can from non residents.

They could give a flying F about non resident opportunities.

That is an unfortunate truth.

I never failed to consider, I choose to ignore it.

It doesn't make good sense for the hunting public. I would gladly sacrifice all my points about 200 total between all the states to get rid of points programs. Even if my tag draw was to take a massive nose dive.

Remember the not so distance past of Kansas and North Dakota not having non-resident hunting programs.

 

[sndmn11]

I think the point system that Colorado has for deer/elk/phor/bear is fair. It makes the most sense to me that the people who have been unsuccessfully applying the longest get THEIR CHOICE of preference.

The folks who scout and invest in learning less desirable hunt codes get rewarded with hunting most often. The folks who don't, get rewarded with their patience at more desirable hunt codes.

It helps people like me who hunt with family and friends understand the rotation of who is hunting what and when to be able to plan a few years in advance. At least for CO, anyone complaining about not being able to hunt deer/elk/phorn/bear, whether R or NR, every single year, is choosing not to do so.

 

[UKwildcatfan]

I also dislike that some state allow parents to buy their kids points before they're even legal hunting age.

Where?

 

[wapitibob]

Where?

nowhere
It lasted maybe 1 year in MT.

 

[BluMtn]

Well, I can say for the last 10years I have been in the top 1% with points for eastern Washington for branched antler. Year after year I either know of or run into other hunters who are on their third or fourth branched antler tag. And now the game dept has screwed up the herds so bad that each year the tag allocations gets fewer and fewer. And I am getting older and older. Plus, now we have to contend with the youtubers coming in and showing how "easy" it is to get quality bulls. When the game dept came around and introduced the special tags, part of the deal was if you had not drawn in 10 years you would receive a tag, which turned out to be a lie. I am closing in on 25 years of applying for a tag and I have come to the conclusion that I may get one.

 

[Beendare]

That is an unfortunate truth.

I never failed to consider, I choose to ignore it.

It doesn't make good sense for the hunting public. I would gladly sacrifice all my points about 200 total between all the states to get rid of points programs. Even if my tag draw was to take a massive nose dive.

Remember the not so distance past of Kansas and North Dakota not having non-resident hunting programs.

Yeah, it's not so much a 'broken point system' but the individual states giving out much fewer tags to Non res.

 

[5MilesBack]

You want to see a broken point system........just wait until 2028 and beyond in Colorado.

 

[realunlucky]

You want to see a broken point system........just wait until 2028 and beyond in Colorado.

Hybrid systems work as well anything else and give hope to those entering the game later in scheme.

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[5MilesBack]

Hybrid systems work as well anything else and give hope to those entering the game later in scheme.

And totally screw over those that "had" enough points to draw........until they cut the number of tags in half for actual points draw. If folks think that point creep is bad now, just wait until that happens. And the lottery draws for the other 50% of the tags will be just like our current moose, sheep, and goat draws..........possible to never draw in a lifetime.

 

[wingmaster]

Where?

You used to be able to buy points for a newborn in Washington for OIL species, now they need at least hunter ed.

While NM doesn't use points, they said a couple of years ago that they had big-game draw applicants from ages 0-6 that "completed" online hunter ed.

I believe those days are over though, no more putting newborns into the draw system

 

[Phat Cowboy]

The points system is basically like the lottery or gambling you pay for your chance to win the big prize. The beauty of the points system is it's like a mix between the lottery, drug dealing and a Ponzi scheme it's really quite brilliant when you think about it.

There's only so many tags so we have to compete for them so they monetized it so as to help pay for the whole thing and as you build up points you get more and more sucked in because you're not going to quit once you have built of a cash of points so you're stuck in it to the bitter end. Some people cash out right away and get a tag when they are young can go enjoy it and some people pay in there whole lives only to find out they are too old and will never see the benefits.

 

[5MilesBack]

The points system is basically like the lottery or gambling you pay for your chance to win the big prize. The beauty of the points system is it's like a mix between the lottery, drug dealing and a Ponzi scheme it's really quite brilliant when you think about it.

There's only so many tags so we have to compete for them so they monetized it so as to help pay for the whole thing and as you build up points you get more and more sucked in because you're not going to quit once you have built of a cash of points so you're stuck in it to the bitter end. Some people cash out right away and get a tag when they are young can go enjoy it and some people pay in there whole lives only to find out they are too old and will never see the benefits.

Well, they've got to understand the system going in. And if they do, then it's their own fault if they get stuck chasing one very high point hunt code for the rest of their life. So the only thing I can think of is that those folks have never understood the system. If you understand the system, then the points have been great. They still work to some degree, but there's been such a surge in new applicants in the last 10 years (especially NR's) that folks have needed to reassess "the system" to see what the reality is. But we've all had to do that to some degree for decades. Or I should say "should have done that". You've got to be able to anticipate and read the writing on the wall and adjust your expectations and draw strategies to that. But that's always been part of the game. Just like this new change coming to CO in 2028......you've got to be able to anticipate what's going to happen. And if you don't, you may just get stuck in a poor place to be.

 

[Phat Cowboy]

Well, they've got to understand the system going in. And if they do, then it's their own fault if they get stuck chasing one very high point hunt code for the rest of their life. So the only thing I can think of is that those folks have never understood the system. If you understand the system, then the points have been great. They still work to some degree, but there's been such a surge in new applicants in the last 10 years (especially NR's) that folks have needed to reassess "the system" to see what the reality is. But we've all had to do that to some degree for decades. Or I should say "should have done that". You've got to be able to anticipate and read the writing on the wall and adjust your expectations and draw strategies to that. But that's always been part of the game. Just like this new change coming to CO in 2028......you've got to be able to anticipate what's going to happen. And if you don't, you may just get stuck in a poor place to be.

Agree! But lets keep that to ourselves hahahaha JK!

 

[WRO]

And totally screw over those that "had" enough points to draw........until they cut the number of tags in half for actual points draw. If folks think that point creep is bad now, just wait until that happens. And the lottery draws for the other 50% of the tags will be just like our current moose, sheep, and goat draws..........possible to never draw in a lifetime.

Hybrid is probably the best option going forward to encourage new participants and yet still reward those that have put in the time.

The constraining factor will always be tag numbers.

 

[WRO]

That is an unfortunate truth.

I never failed to consider, I choose to ignore it.

It doesn't make good sense for the hunting public. I would gladly sacrifice all my points about 200 total between all the states to get rid of points programs. Even if my tag draw was to take a massive nose dive.

Remember the not so distance past of Kansas and North Dakota not having non-resident hunting programs.

It’d make it worse not better, az for example, you’re probably never going you draw a unit 9 early rifle, but as a nr there’s several good hunts you can do with 6-12 points, plus there’s always the random portion which I’ve gotten drawn in.


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