Brainstorm Solutions for the Western "Tag Crisis"

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Rokslide isn’t on your non hunting friends radar, ever. No one has heard of it.

Rokslide is on page 1 of google when searching "elk hunting resources"

 

[Pacific_Fork]

Rokslide and places like it are the first stop after the seed is planted.

There's also the Rokcast and other podcasts that are deeply involved with the IG world.

Without the seed there is no plant.

Again, no one has heard of it. So it doesn’t manufacture demand. It only fuels the curious minds set on hunting.

Rokcast doesn’t even remotely compare to the big ones. Im ok with getting rid of everything if it makes you happy though.

 

[Chris in TN]

For the Land of Makebelieve: Have the western elk states form a compact. NR can only draw one tag in the compact states.

This NR isn’t opposed to that.

 

[Pacific_Fork]

Rokslide is on page 1 of google when searching "elk hunting resources"

And?

Just typed that’s exact thing in google. Rokslide didn’t show up on page 1. And I’ve never clicked past page 1 in my entire life like most.

 

[IdahoBeav]

Rokslide is on page 1 of google when searching "elk hunting resources"

I just typed in "DIY Idaho Elk". A Rokslide thread was the 3rd result. A unit number can be added, and you'll get a thread specifically about that unit. If the unit number was in the thread and has since been removed, it still shows up in a google search that specifies the unit. Many of these threads are direct accounts of NRs from other regions, detailing the process for applying and drawing a tag, e-scouting, and the successful hunt.

 

[IsThisHeaven]

Create and support (financially and with your time) local sportsman’s groups that hire lobbyists to fight special interests and NR lobbying for specials seasons, weapons, increased NR tags, etc., any regulations that make it easier to kill animals and reduce resident opportunity. Stop shooting does unless there are obvious external impacts requiring their management. Stop worrying about what’s going on in other states and focus on improving conditions in your own state. Look at out of state hunts as a luxury and be grateful for whatever opportunity you get as a nonresident. Let residents of those states fight with their state government. I used to email my senators and other states’ regarding public land transfer, regs, etc. I don’t waste my time with that anymore. It’s clear most residents don’t want me hunting in their home states, non resident tag prices are ridiculous, and I completely understand that. So I have mostly stopped hunting out of state, stopped advocating on their behalf, and now focus solely on whatever I can do to improve my home state.

 

[RyanT26]

End all the R3 silliness. There are more hunters wanting to hunt then the game populations can stand..

 

[IdahoBeav]

Without the seed there is no plant.

Again, no one has heard of it. So it doesn’t manufacture demand. It only fuels the curious minds set on hunting.

Rokcast doesn’t even remotely compare to the big ones. Im ok with getting rid of everything if it makes you happy though.

#rokslide is tagged onto a lot of public posts that show up in IG feeds.

I like this place, too, but that doesn't change what the reality is. It wasn't long ago that we could easily and openly discuss unit numbers and draw odds.

 

[UpNorth89]

People in lots of Western states will struggle to draw a tag while the commissions do idiotic things like sell under priced tags to NRs while screwing over the residents.

Obviously you have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[BuckSmasher]

End all the R3 silliness. There are more hunters wanting to hunt then the game populations can stand..

What is r3?

 

[UpNorth89]

For the Land of Makebelieve: Have the western elk states form a compact. NR can only draw one tag in the compact states.

This would also help thin out the influencers bouncing between many states for likes and followers. That's a win for all hunters trying to draw tags.

 

[BuckSmasher]

This would also help thin out the influencers bouncing between many states for likes and followers. That's a win for all hunters trying to draw tags.

I like it also.

 

[Pacific_Fork]

#rokslide is tagged onto a lot of public posts that show up in IG feeds.

I like this place, too, but that doesn't change what the reality is. It wasn't long ago that we could easily and openly discuss unit numbers and draw odds.

Ok fair as I don’t use IG/FB so can’t argue there.

What is r3?

Something like Recruit, reactivate, and retention. All the “non profits” and hunting related corporations push it for one purpose - revenue.

 

[RyanT26]

What is r3?

Recruitment, retainment, reactivation of hunters.
Basically trying to get every Tom, Dick and Harry into to hunting or atleast the idea of hunting so they prop up the hunting industry and influencers.

 

[Customweld]

I’ll try to get out at least once a week predator hunting.
I’ll continue to volunteer my time planting bitter brush, gathering seeds and rolling up abandoned barbed wire fencing. If the weather causes winter feeding, I’ll volunteer my truck and time to haul feed and distribute it to feeding sites.
I’ll also continue to attend open houses, and watch the legislative session to see what those jokers have up their sleeves.
I won’t advocate for a reduction in NR tags, but I sure won’t advocate for more.

 

[wapitibob]

End all the R3 silliness. There are more hunters wanting to hunt then the game populations can stand..

Let us all know when you tell your kids, relatives, and friends to stay home.

 

[madtinker]

Which states are selling the under priced tags to NRs while screwing over the residents? Would love to learn about them.

New Mexico NR tags are a fraction of the going rate of landowner tags. Landowner gets $5-10k, but the state only gets <$1k. NM residents can’t afford landowner tags so they all go out of state. That is selling our wildlife for a fraction of their worth and letting landowners pocket the rest.

Whether you like NM quotas is a different conversation.

 

[RyanT26]

Let us all know when you tell your kids, relatives, and friends to stay home.

You can dislike the message all you want, it doesn’t change the fact that it’s correct. Is getting tags easier now compared to 10 years ago….No. Remember decent left over Wyoming antelope buck tags. Those days were pretty cool. How about Wyoming general tag every other year. Those are once every 5-10 years now, and you may never catch back up due to the point creep. Could truly be once in life time.

The “tag crisis” is due to the promotion of western hunting and the manufactured crisis that hunting is a dying hobby over the last 10-15 years.

 

[Mcribs]

Obviously you have no idea what you're talking about.

Actually very familiar with 33% draw odds for resident “easy” to draw deer units in CO. I know that NRs get a significant amount of draw tags and scoop up landowner tags at 2k a pop, no questions asked. So the $ value of the market is 2k. That’s the price CPW should charge. It makes zero sense that the cost of a tag is significantly lower than that. It’s not like people can’t hunt their own states. Unless you like in CO and NM and you can’t.

 

[Andrew12gauge]

Let us all know when you tell your kids, relatives, and friends to stay home.

Hunting was just fine when current hunters brought in their kids, relatives and friends, when it went downhill was when the industry made up a stat about hunter numbers dwindling and needing people to recruit more hunters at all costs.


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