Boundary Waters Situation

[WRO]

We can’t even process our own tweakers stripped copper wire because all the secondary (scrap) copper facilities have closed.

Most of them have sold their power rights to data centers, Alcoa had huge long term power contracts the we’re worth more than doing business in many locations.


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[littlebigtine]

It’s stepping over dollars to pick up dimes. It describes a situation where the return is less than what it costs. So, you’re using it wrong.

I don’t think you are right on number of hunters. Go pull the stats. And then, even if this were true (which it’s probably not), you are correlating number of issued licenses with man-days afield. Not illogical, but wrong. Especially when you are waving it around the same way a child might wave a loaded gun. You don’t fully understand what you have.

I know what the original saying was. I changed the saying to emphasize the point that I thought certain people in this thread where focused on the wrong thing entirely when complaining about “non-profit orgs” and influencers ruining western big game hunting. Sorry you didnt pick that up.

My point is that the single most important ingredient that we have control over to protect and conserve big game populations in the US is protecting habitat. What that looks like can be many things but the boundary waters situation sets a precedent that could create serious fallout moving forward.

As far as deer hunters afield, what exactly are you arguing? Ive seen graphs from Idaho, Utah that show sharp declines in hunter participation around the harsh winters in the 90s. The numbers have for the most part been restored while the deer population has struggled.

My point is that while hunter recruitment is steady and overall hunter population had had a modest growth trend. Deer population has declined the last 30 years.

You tell me who's fault is that? Randy Newburg? He seems like his life impact would be small change at best. Or nothing. Stepping over dollars(habitat protections) to pick up nothing(Randy Newburg, BHA).

 

[wowzers]

Most of them have sold their power rights to data centers, Alcoa had huge long term power contracts the we’re worth more than doing business in many locations.


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I don’t think it’s accurate to say they closed because power was worth more than operating. They closed because operational cost were too high here. I’m going to guess due to the onerous regulations we have vs overseas. Selling access to the power infrastructure is better than nothing for a company.

From smelters to servers: Alcoa to cash in on crypto’s thirst for energy

Alcoa is in advanced negotiations to sell its dormant Massena East smelter in upstate New York to Bitcoin mining firm NYDIG.

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[WRO]

I don’t think it’s accurate to say they closed because power was worth more than operating. They closed because operational cost were too high here. I’m going to guess due to the onerous regulations we have vs overseas. Selling access to the power infrastructure is better than nothing for a company.

https://www.coindesk.com/business/2026/04/18/from-smelters-to-servers-alcoa-to-cash-in-on-crypto-s-thirst-for-energy.

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[wowzers]

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Fixed it.