Better figure it out, Colorado...

[jmcd22]

https://www.ammoland.com/2019/04/rm...introduction-ballot-initiative/#axzz5lM5EO59J

This is NOT something anyone should want to see in Colorado. If history tells us anything, this will be a very bad day for sportsmen and animals if this passes.

 

[JWP58]

Due to the makeup of the state now, with the front range running the show, it's just a matter of time.

They'll probably be protected along with cats.

 

[Jbehredt]

Due to the makeup of the state now, with the front range running the show, it's just a matter of time.

They'll probably be protected along with cats.

Yep. Would be nice to see the sane people turn out to vote it down but I’m afraid this new Colorado is here to stay.

 

[KHNC]

That will be the end of OTC elk if it happens

 

[Virginian]

It seems like Co is a lot like Va. Populated NOVA thinks it knows what's best for the rest of us

 

[jmcd22]

That will be the end of OTC elk if it happens

Maybe...Idaho still has OTC, which is abysmal at best. There are always good bulls taken every year but there are FAR less animals overall than there used to be. My guess is that CPW will mirror Idaho...wolves will come in and decimate the elk herds but CPW will still rake in as much money as they can by overselling tags. I sure hope I am wrong but I've watched it first hand here in Idaho for the last 20+ years.

 

[cnelk]

Obviously Idaho didnt 'figure it out'.

Im betting Colorado will have the same outcome

 

[jmcd22]

Obviously Idaho didnt 'figure it out'.

Im betting Colorado will have the same outcome

Clearly.

 

[wytx]

Let 'em cross the state line, we'll be waiting.

 

[chindits]

No changing the embrace of the predator era by a non-rural voting CO population unless you can convince them that it will benefit big oil, ranching, and contribute to global warming.

Of course they don’t have a problem with redirecting West Slope water to the Front Range. I guess they consider that part of the “greater good “.

 

[BuzzH]

If it were me, and I lived in Colorado, I would spend some time coming up with a solid wolf state management plan.

One way or the other, wolves are going to have a viable population in Colorado...best to have a plan in place to manage them.

 

[Crippledsledge64]

The granola's are running the show there now. I was just in Colorado springs visiting family, can't believe how many new developments are popping up and how many "coexist" Subarus were buzzing around. I doubt few people in the cities understand the impact wolves will have on all the animals they enjoy seeing on their hikes until its too late. I also doubt a wolf hunting season will fly in Colorado either. Those wolves will sure eat good for awhile though.

 

[elkstabber]

Obviously Idaho didnt 'figure it out'.

Im betting Colorado will have the same outcome

I'll beg to differ cnelk. Idaho got wolves that they (mostly) didn't want. But at least they figured out how to hunt them, which is something that I'll bet Colorado will never do. So no, Colorado will not have the same outcome.

I hope I'm wrong but I'm very concerned that Colorado will not be able to control them at all. If I lived in Colorado I'd be pushing for a formal/written wolf management plan that involved hunting them when their population reached X hundred.

 

[KHNC]

If they agree to hunting at X hundred, then when that time comes , there will be a HUGE protest to stop the hunt. Just like it happens everywhere else. Then when they are truly out of control, there may be a "limited" hunt with slingshots.

 

[BuzzH]

If they agree to hunting at X hundred, then when that time comes , there will be a HUGE protest to stop the hunt. Just like it happens everywhere else. Then when they are truly out of control, there may be a "limited" hunt with slingshots.

Right, so the better option is to not have a solid state management plan in place because it might be taken to court or protested? That's a good strategy if you want the pro-wolf crowd to be assured wins in court.

There were plenty of lessons learned with the ID, MT, WY wolf issue...for those with 2 firing brain cells to rub together, it would be wise to shore up some of the pitfalls with those plans when drafting yours.

A properly drafted State Plan will only make things easier.

Maybe its just better if CO has to learn the hard way like MT, ID, and WY...

 

[jmcd22]

I'll beg to differ cnelk. Idaho got wolves that they (mostly) didn't want. But at least they figured out how to hunt them, which is something that I'll bet Colorado will never do. So no, Colorado will not have the same outcome.

I hope I'm wrong but I'm very concerned that Colorado will not be able to control them at all. If I lived in Colorado I'd be pushing for a formal/written wolf management plan that involved hunting them when their population reached X hundred.

I'm sure plenty of people on the western side with just SSS like many have done here in Idaho. I have no ties to Colorado and rarely hunt there but I hope they do not suffer as we have here in Idaho.

I do agree with what you said though. We fought the reintroduction tooth and nail and it was going to happen either way. They claimed the native timber wolf was extinct when, in fact, it was not. There was plenty of document sightings but they chose to ignore those and "reintroduce" the species of wolves that they chose. They then became instinct once these Canadian wolves started showing up. I put reintroduce in quotes because you cannot reintroduce something that was NEVER HERE. They are not native and are 2-3 times the size of what used to be here. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise...these damn things are enormous and do an insane amount of killing.

End of rant. haha

 

[elkstabber]

They claimed the native timber wolf was extinct when, in fact, it was not. There was plenty of document sightings but they chose to ignore those and "reintroduce" the species of wolves that they chose. They then became instinct once these Canadian wolves started showing up. I put reintroduce in quotes because you cannot reintroduce something that was NEVER HERE. They are not native and are 2-3 times the size of what used to be here. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise...these damn things are enormous and do an insane amount of killing.

Not sure how much this has been discussed but the "endangered" Mexican Grey Wolf won't make it long either. First, it's not really "endangered" because there are plenty of them in old Mexico. But there are lots of wolf people going crazy about increasing their numbers in NM and AZ. If/when the big timber wolf gets into CO then it will surely get into NM. Then it will either screw or kill the little Mexican Grey Wolves until there aren't any more of them. And the Mexican Grey Wolf is legitimately native also.

 

[wapitibob]

If the people of Colorado took 5 minutes to actually research who, and how, wolves are managed, they'd be talking about getting a management plan in place instead of worrying about a worthless ballot measure that does nothing but drive donations to both sides of the issue. The USFW will never "introduce" wolves to Colorado, they don't need to, they're coming in on their own. Without that approved management plan, the state has zero control.

There hasn't been a single wolf introduced in Oregon, and we have almost 150 of them. Again, no introduction needed. Our management plan has strict guidelines for controlling wolves east of hwy 395, hunting is not an option. The rest of the state is under federal control. We should have learned from ID/MT/WY but didn't.

 

[jmcd22]

Not sure how much this has been discussed but the "endangered" Mexican Grey Wolf won't make it long either. First, it's not really "endangered" because there are plenty of them in old Mexico. But there are lots of wolf people going crazy about increasing their numbers in NM and AZ. If/when the big timber wolf gets into CO then it will surely get into NM. Then it will either screw or kill the little Mexican Grey Wolves until there aren't any more of them. And the Mexican Grey Wolf is legitimately native also.

I am no biologist and do not claim to be but I have spent enough time researching and listening to people who are in the field and based on what I've learned about these wolves; they kill any competition. All the greenies and anti's will say they do not...but they do.

 

[Backyard]

If they agree to hunting at X hundred, then when that time comes , there will be a HUGE protest to stop the hunt. Just like it happens everywhere else. Then when they are truly out of control, there may be a "limited" hunt with slingshots.

We don't even get sling shot hunts and we have more than any other state.