Best methodology to research and plan hunts.

Thanks LaHunter

On my antelope hunt, for example, I looked at draw odds and hunter success and public land available. I also spoke to others that had hunted there including a hunting partner of mine who had hunted there 2 times so certainly this made my choice much easier. I did talk to a biologist also and he was helpful even telling me about some cool fishing opportunities close by. I ended up applying for and hunting Antelope unit 59 and was successful and had a blast. I asked for advice here on Rokslide about going on opening day or waiting and got good info on Rokslide. I also provided some advice to another fellow after my hunt there via a private message about the hunt.

On a Wyo mule deer hunt me and one other guy did research much the same way and ended up hunting a couple of areas and while he got a deer I did not-I passed and have no regrets except the area had some slob hunters we had to contend with. But that stuff happens. To be honest I did rely heavily on a hunting partner on this one.


I went on a cow elk hunt in unit 81 and shot a cow and had blast there also. My research was directed again at hunter success and draw odds and access. Some of the research came from a hunting partner also and 3 of us went on that hunt. Limited quota was not an option since we had few pref points. I did a 2nd hunt there but I got sick and had to cut it short.


The overall difference now is I never had the high number of pref points as I do now. The elk hunt at that time did not take much in the way of points although I did have 5 antelope points to draw 59.


I wanted to go to areas I had some on the ground experience with but the only limited quota elk unit I have been to is Unit 30 Aspen Mtn. Same as antelope unit 59. Elk unit 30 is a different type of hunt-not the typical western experience many expect but I have been here a few times and I thought it would lend itself well for a solo hunt.


I have reviewed the most current data on G&F site and I printed all I could on odds and unit boundary descriptions. I have a large elk hunt unit poster map from Wyo G&F store. I thinks it is 42 inches wide.


So-where I should have done things differently is to start this process a few months back and I should have paid closer attention to the amount of points needed for the areas I had interest in. I also should have ventured to more of the areas of interest when I was in Wy.


I am looking at a few choices now-a guided ranch house hunt late season, a guided wilderness hunt, or a general tag if I apply for a low draw odds limited quota area and use general as my 2nd choice.


I have already line up time off for 16 consecutive days to do this elk hunt.
 
You wont draw a general on a second choice...that ship sailed a couple years ago.

The trouble with waiting for next year.
 
Buzz--your screen name is appropriate. BTW-I am not waiting. Thanks for the info
 
The thing about Rokslide that I enjoy the most is that a guy can ask a question. People are willing to offer advice and add constructive conversation. Not everyone has the personal ability to hunt every year. Some people build points to draw that once in a lifetime tag. That’s great if you burn points and hunt as often as possible. That doesn’t mean everyone else is in the same boat. You don’t know the OP scenario so why harp on him? As to answer your question I don’t have a perfect answer for you. Ultimately I think a guy has to take a leap of faith and go with a unit that fits your points, success rate, and ability. That’s the nature of the beast and ultimately why it’s called hunting, not shooting. Sorry I don’t have better advise. Just thought I would add my two cents on others and how we need to be constructive rather than destructive.
 
Funny, I've got max points in Wy for deer and elk and I don't feel at all like they're a waste. I've been on at least one sweet out of state hunt nearly every year during that span and some day WY will be up and I'll be glad to have my points to cash in on a quality hunt.

philos - I'd say you're on the right track. Narrow down what you want out of a hunt - public or private land, guided or unguided, then look through G&F stats to find hunts you could draw and then those with the best success rates. Cross reference that with public land availability and when you find units that fit your bill, call and talk to biologists. You can also scour the internet for any past tales of hunts in those units to get an idea on how things may have gone in the past - but that's not necessarily a great predictor of how they'd go for you. And if all else fails, join HuntinFool or Epic Outdoors and lean on their hunt advisors for more advice.
 
I nerd out and create a spreadsheet to calculate the odds of MIF, Meat In Freezer. I multiply the odds of drawing a tag for a unit by the hunter success rate. Average two or three previous years.

Then I look at herd data. I divide the herd size by the area of the units it covers to find animals per square mile.

That should narrow it down to a handful of units. From there I look at which units have more areas of concentration that overlap public land, have overlapping concentrations of different species I would like to target, and driving distance.
 
I truly appreciate the info from you guys. Very nice of you two to send me this info. I've been looking at prior years to see a pattern and I'm looking at new areas that will fall somewhere in between general tags and super low draw odd areas I also just opened an email from Epic Outdoors. I've never used a service like Epic or GoHunt but it might be of some value.

One thing I want to do is to try and make a scouting trip if I can this spring / summer wherever I end up going. It's pretty tough going blind to a new area .

Thanks again!
 
What's with all the attitude? This thread is feeling way too much like the mulies forum. I love the slide because people are usually nice.
 
What's with all the attitude? This thread is feeling way too much like the mulies forum. I love the slide because people are usually nice.

Most folks are Rokslide are decent folks but just like all of society they are always a couple of jackasses around. Funny thing is usually the ones that are posting negative criticism don't even read or fully understand the original post.

I am not too worried about the ones that offer nothing but negative responses as I am mature enough to handle it but it is worrisome that young inexperienced hunters / outdoors men and women might not ask questions here for fear of these kind of garbage responses. Seems many forget how they started their outdoor pursuits. We were all greenhorns with lots of questions at one time. I deal with rookie hunters asking me questions often and I try to remember what it was like for me when I was in their position.

Overall the responses were helpful and I am very appreciative for the feedback I received. Rokslide is a great place but we will always have to deal with a few folks that wake up with a butthurt attitude to start their day. For those folks check out this beautiful Wyoming landscape in Summer. This about 7 miles from Dubois. The 1st pic is a pond covered in lily pads. Saw a big bull moose there a few years ago
 

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Philos, like some have said start with deciding if you want public or private. Private, choose an outfitter and have fun. Public, wilderness or non-wilderness? Personally, if I had max points for elk, I would do public land and higher a guide in order to hunt wilderness. It would open up so many options. And on the flip side, it eliminates some competition. Plus, said guide would already have spots lined up where he knows elk are at. Reduces scouting time and increases hunting time.
If I was doing non-wilderness, I would use a combination of Gohunt and Onx maps (both offer free trails) to find public land that may get overlooked. Options to consider would be public parcels with tough access, roads that are closed to vehicle use, high grizzly population areas (because most hunters don't want to deal with them). Onx has many different layers to find the area you want to hunt.
Good luck and post up how you end up spending those points!
 
I tell people the best way to ruin a good elk hunt is to kill an elk

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On the surface, this sounds like sound wisdom... but I'd like to find out firsthand. :cool:
 
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