Barrel cleaning…Hornady podcast

[Brontosaurus]

And if Hornady hadn't come out with this information, 99% of shooters/hunters would have never known the difference. Nobody anywhere at any time questioned Amax performance before their big melting tip announcement.

Yeah but the moment some scope company comes out and claims that they are now testing for zero shifts everyone is going to claim it's a marketing ploy. (Ahem what I suspect could happen to maven)

Industries SHOULD capitalize on their failures. It's called progress and innovation. I despise what Steve did to his employees. But you can't ignore/dismiss a group of people that are pushing the envelope of what's possible and pushing themselves and other to do better.

 

[wind gypsy]

And if Hornady hadn't come out with this information, 99% of shooters/hunters would have never known the difference. Nobody anywhere at any time questioned Amax performance before their big melting tip announcement.

What exactly is your point? They had a product that worked well. Found an area of improvement. Spent time and $ to develop improvement and bring it to market. But they aren't supposed to tell anyone about it? Your takes continue to get more ridiculous.

 

[JGRaider]

So come out with a new and improved, more expensive bullet without all of the excuses. No biggie. Especially when nobody can discern any difference in old vs new. Lots of people still prefer the Amax anyway.

 

[Firth]

@JGRaider I hear you on not liking how the covid stuff went down.

I'd love the ELDm's to cost the same as the A-max did, but I really don't hold the price increase against Hornady. They're still often one of the cheapest high-BC bullets available and for the most part I'm just glad they aren't charging as much as Sierra, Nosler, and Berger et. al. If I really want to slum cheap high BC-bullets, their BTHP line is often my next choice.

 

[Firth]

So come out with a new and improved, more expensive bullet without all of the excuses. No biggie. Especially when nobody can discern any difference in old vs new. Lots of people still prefer the Amax anyway.

I'm still shooting a-max in a 22-250 AI. It's a low volume shooter for me and I bought a bunch just before the ELD came out. They're good, but I won't miss them when they're gone.

 

[Bluefish]

On the melting tips, they have mentioned a couple times that it takes a relatively long time of flight for the tips to get hot enough to deform. They had probably never tested BC that far out before getting the Doppler radar. Also they don’t use those high temp tips on lower BC bullets as they don’t generally get used for long ranges. I am glad they admitted it was an issue and shared that with the community instead of hiding it for a competitive advantage.

 

[atmat]

Call it what you want, my opinion of Steve Hornady is that he sucks for mandating the jab, he got called on it, and backtracked (thank God). Therefore my opinion on Hornady is negative. How's that?

Lol. Someone is reaaaaally upset about vaccines.

 

[Wyo_hntr]

And if Hornady hadn't come out with this information, 99% of shooters/hunters would have never known the difference. Nobody anywhere at any time questioned Amax performance before their big melting tip announcement.

I understand you don't like hornady. That's ok. I don't see an issue with improving their product and admitting the issues they discovered with better testing protocols.

 

[Balderdash]

I don't believe that crap for one minute, no matter what they say. They shouldn't have marketed how great they were if they weren't properly tested in the first place, which evidently they weren't.

Based on what I read at the time, I was of the understanding that atmospheric friction was getting the better of just about all plastic bullet tips commonly in use at that time.

 

[dreamingWest]

The melting tip bullet fiasco/conversation reminds me of the good ole days when I was much smarter. I studied high speed aerodynamics in grad school and had recently began working as a plastics engineer. My first thought seeing ELD marketing was "that's bullsh**"

I ran through some quick numbers in shock tables and some of the plastics I was working with..."well damn, maybe they're on to something..."

I then read a Hornady white paper on their study with doppler, correcting BCs, and switching the resin of their polymer tip. It gave me a newfound respect for the company that I still have today.

(but that covid crap...yeah I get that)

 

[JGRaider]

Lol. Someone is reaaaaally upset about vaccines.

Except it's NOT a vaccine. But you knew that.......

 

[ElPollo]

Except it's NOT a vaccine. But you knew that.......

Do you have an online persona, or are you like this all the time?

 

[Reburn]

Except it's NOT a vaccine. But you knew that.......

But it is. Its just a vaccine.
Lets leave the tin foil for cooking.
If you keep using it all to make hats your gonna make a shortage and then I wont have it to make BBQ.

 

[JGRaider]

Do you have an online persona, or are you like this all the time?

This so called 'vaccine" jab almost killed my mom. Yeah, I'm passionate about this farce.

 

[Team4LongGun]

Gents-Lets keep on topic and not make anything personal. @Reburn @ElPollo @JGRaider

 

[Reburn]

Gents-Lets keep on topic and not make anything personal. @Reburn @ElPollo @JGRaider

Si jefe.

 

[WildBoose]

Here I am feeling silly....I came into this thread looking for a barrel cleaning convo HAHA

 

[atmat]

Here I am feeling silly....I came into this thread looking for a barrel cleaning convo HAHA

Classic rookie move.

 

[ElPollo]

I’m curious about how many dedicated rifle cleaners treat their shotguns the same way. I was pulling my stuff together to go chase scaled quail in the desert tomorrow. As I was scraping the the crud out of the rims of the chambers of my O/U with my fingernails, it dawned on me that I hadn’t cleaned the gun since I bought it 6 years ago and am probably around 2-3k rounds through it. My Mossberg 500 pump that I use primarily for waterfowl got its first disassembly and deep cleaning about five years ago when it ceased to reliably cycle. I bought that gun at Walmart in 1994 and cannot remotely estimate how many rounds it has shot. I asked one of my friends who is a dedicated rifle bore cleaner. He hasn’t cleaned his Beretta silver pigeon since he bought it five years ago. We both live in the arid southwest, and I don’t count wipe downs with an oil cloth or a can of compressed air to blow the chunks out as cleaning. How many of you who regularly clean rifle barrels treat your shotguns the same way?

Incidentally, I do clean my handguns and rimfires every few hundred rounds because they don’t cycle when I don’t.

 

[Bluefish]

Shotgun cleaning is a patch with Ed’s red after 200-500 rnds. Deep cleaning every couple thousand with a plastic brush on a drill. followed by a wet patch. clean and grease hinge pins at a deep cleaning. Amazing how much crud comes out with the brush cleaning.
worst yet was shooting black powder for sass. After a box of shells it looked like hairballs a cat barfed up. Guess the hotter burn really melts the wads.