Australian gun owners are terrorists

[RockAndSage]

I'm not the best person to judge, as I'm sure I've crossed a line plenty of times. The post about Islam and scriptures seemed, to me, to have veered off topic and seems inconsistent with the rule that says "Don't post anything that could be considered hateful or mean-spirited, or intolerant of a person's race, culture, appearance, gender, sexual preference, religion or age." I could probably find some Biblical verses, especially from the Old Testament, that if taken out of context, might be just as inflammatory.

Imposing stricture gun control to me seems the central issue that can lead to meaningful and courteous discussion.

EDIT - and thanks for the tone and saying "sincere point" as there is too often much lost in translation here. And I don't care if someone wants to post broad point about an entire religion - I just don't think RS is the place for it.

Gotcha. Half the fun was smoking out the Russian troll farmer - posts like this are like magnets to them.

 

[rookieforever33]

Violence and war have been attributed to religon, only second most to capital gains, throughout history. Whether it be by the words in the scripture or the translation by people for their own purposes. What many people throughout history have done is given up their rights for security against threats. Only to leave themselves and others defenseless from the attacks they were afraid of. From the original post it seems like another radical on a watchlist wasnt being watched. Except by the people filming the consequences. Making more laws does not stop criminals or radicals. Only stopping criminals or radicals does.

 

[BadDogPSD]

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances".

Spreading hate thinking it's patriotic or Christian is a problem

Do you even hunt or shoot? All I ever see from you is posts in threads like this. If you want to turn a blind eye to what Islam says the Muslims will do to non-believers go right ahead.

 

[MontyMontana]

Thread full of hyperbole and brash generalizations based on the poor actions of a few while complaining that the government does the same thing.

Poor actions of a few? There is only 1 major group of people that randomly explode and have a stated goal of eliminating everyone else.....

 

[RockAndSage]

Do you even hunt or shoot? All I ever see from you is posts in threads like this. If you want to turn a blind eye to what Islam says the Muslims will do to non-believers go right ahead.

He's a troll. The only thing he hunts is opportunities to inflame, cause division, and spread misinformation.

There are at least 2 others on Rokslide. They come out for these kinds of posts. Anything to get people really pissed at each other, or institutions.

 

[average]

Do you even hunt or shoot? All I ever see from you is posts in threads like this. If you want to turn a blind eye to what Islam says the Muslims will do to non-believers go right ahead.

Yeah primarily whitetails. Do I need to post on ethics or caliber arguments where my thoughts are clearly communicated by someone else or what? Our Constitution doesn't allow for discrimination based on religion, I imagine Australia's doesn't either. This point was not being pointed out. You or I can believe whatever we want about Islam but our Constitution is pretty clear. Making a law against a religion isn't gonna fly. Blaming a religion and our political pendulum in the US isn't exactly a great mixture either

 

[Wprinkle]

Как это по-русски с вашей стороныm, братан

Я понимаю, что ты сделал.

 

[solarshooter]

The civilian who charged one of the gunman and helped stop the attack was also Muslim and an immigrant. Just stating this fact for completeness of the record here.

I find the timing and crucial details of these mass shootings are often quite suspicious. We could derail this thread yet again down a rabbit hole of so called "conspiracy theories", but there are many eyebrow-raising details about these mass shootings that often go unanswered.

What they are guaranteed to do is stoke hatred between races, towards immigrants, towards other minority groups, as demonstrated in this thread and in the broader discourse in our country. They are also used to justify increases in surveillance, gun control, and generally the power of the police state. They are leveraged for manipulation, and it's up to you how much you want to play into that hand or not.

 

[rookieforever33]

The civilian who charged one of the gunman and helped stop the attack was also Muslim and an immigrant. Just stating this fact for completeness of the record here.

I find the timing and crucial details of these mass shootings are often quite suspicious. We could derail this thread yet again down a rabbit hole of so called "conspiracy theories", but there are many eyebrow-raising details about these mass shootings that often go unanswered.

What they are guaranteed to do is stoke hatred between races, towards immigrants, towards other minority groups, as demonstrated in this thread and in the broader discourse in our country. They are also used to justify increases in surveillance, gun control, and generally the power of the police state. They are leveraged for manipulation, and it's up to you how much you want to play into that hand or not.

I know a lot of people that believe things like this are planned distractions. Planned by who is based on which group they distrust more. But usually pointed at some involvement by a government, or someone anti government. I always point out that why would someone struggle to plan and execute a plan that needs to perfect to work. Why not just foster distrust and take advantage of things that are happening around you. It would be much easier to let something happen and spin your narrative off of it.

 

[BadDogPSD]

Yeah primarily whitetails. Do I need to post on ethics or caliber arguments where my thoughts are clearly communicated by someone else or what? Our Constitution doesn't allow for discrimination based on religion, I imagine Australia's doesn't either. This point was not being pointed out. You or I can believe whatever we want about Islam but our Constitution is pretty clear. Making a law against a religion isn't gonna fly. Blaming a religion and our political pendulum in the US isn't exactly a great mixture either

No, I just find it interesting when newer members on hunting and shooting forums post more about political stuff than hunting and shooting.
Believe what you wish, and of course you are free to post what you wish as well.

 

[Billy Goat]

Similar sentiments exist in the Jewish Talmud.

Anything like that in the bible? (honest question - i'm not religious)

And the book of Mormon, no violence to non-believers there...
Especially not in the past 150 years or so.


Point is, its in most all religious text, at some point, just a matter of who wants to ignore it or proliferate it.

 

[average]

No, I just find it interesting when newer members on hunting and shooting forums post more about political stuff than hunting and shooting.
Believe what you wish, and of course you are free to post what you wish as well.

Thanks for the "welcome" to the forum. I appreciate you getting your point across respectfully.

 

[ozyclint]

Back after being banned. Accidently clicked on the rokslide tab on my phone and saw I was unbanned. Sorry mods if rules where breached. I've been a member for a long time but that's no excuse to not brush up on the rules every now and then. Bit confusing but anyway, an update...

The state of New South Wales (where the attack happened) convened an emergency sitting of state parliament to rush through new laws.
Basically new limit of 4 guns per licence holder, 10 guns for target shooters. There will be a sudden rush of hunters now having to become members of shooting clubs to be able to keep up to 10. Certain types of guns will be banned. Looks like straight pulls will go. Also you need to be a citizen to hold a licence. Permanent residents used to be able to hold a licence. I have a mate rushing to become a citizen now after moving from the UK 16 or 17 years ago.
The NSW premier actually called for the ban of "belt fed shotguns" after the younger attacker wore an ammo belt around his waist. Yes, that is the level of firearm understanding that the people making laws about guns have.
Gun licences will have to be renewed every 2 years. Right to appeal decisions has also been removed. It's very ironic that the very people they think are bad (gun owners) are the very people that will now rush around to jump through more hoops to obey more laws.

Not sure what the fallout will be for other states yet. I'm in Queensland so will have to wait till next sitting of parliament to find out I guess.

Interestingly but not surprisingly, laws banning protests for up to 3 months after a terrorist event have been put in place. We already need to get a 'permit' to protest.
Yes, we need to ask the govt if we can get a permit to tell the govt we don't like something.

 

[Flyjunky]

I find the timing and crucial details of these mass shootings are often quite suspicious. We could derail this thread yet again down a rabbit hole of so called "conspiracy theories", but there are many eyebrow-raising details about these mass shootings that often go unanswered.

It’s not so much that they go unanswered as much as they aren’t talked about, purposely.

 

[Oregon]

We would if we weren't a minority and had a 2A.
Gun ownership isn't common here. People freak out when you tell them you have more than 4 guns. They say no one needs that many guns. There was talk that if you leave in a city you should have even less guns because you don't need them like rural people do. Quite communist really. "I'll tell you what you need."

I met an Australian couple at a bar a couple years ago. Guns became a topic of conversation. They were flabbergasted when I said I had 30 or 40. Blew their minds “why” I needed that many.
I simply said, if you take your car to get serviced, do you want your mechanic to only have a crescent wrench and a hammer? Tools, each tool serves a purpose. They didn’t seem to understand

 

[medvedyt]

I met an Australian couple at a bar a couple years ago. Guns became a topic of conversation. They were flabbergasted when I said I had 30 or 40. Blew their minds “why” I needed that many.
I simply said, if you take your car to get serviced, do you want your mechanic to only have a crescent wrench and a hammer? Tools, each tool serves a purpose. They didn’t seem to understand

the same with the frenchs, britishs, germans and canadians and all around the western world from big cities. if you ask an us citizen from a big city i doubt you will have a different answer and attitude ... let alone handguns or ar15s ...

 

[RockAndSage]

I met an Australian couple at a bar a couple years ago. Guns became a topic of conversation. They were flabbergasted when I said I had 30 or 40. Blew their minds “why” I needed that many.
I simply said, if you take your car to get serviced, do you want your mechanic to only have a crescent wrench and a hammer? Tools, each tool serves a purpose. They didn’t seem to understand

Ask her how many pairs of shoes she has...then ask her why she has so many. It's something people tend to understand a bit better when they realize they've got 32 pairs of shoes for different purposes, moods, situations, etc.

 

[Stonewall308]

As an American, I do not have an in depth knowledge of Australian gun laws, but I have heard that there have been severe restrictions for a long time. In fact, in American the authoritarian Demonrats have been for many years pointing to the Australian "buy back" (confiscation) as a model to emulate. Of course it won't occur to any of them that none of the laws previously passed were effective to prevent this attack.

 

[Turkeytider]

Last week there was a terrorist attack at Bondi Beach in Sydney.
2 Muslim men, father and son opened fire on a crowd gathered to celebrate an event of Jewish significance.

They used straight pull shotguns (think semi auto style action but you have to cycle it manually between shots) and a straight pull rifle. Similar to a Blaser R8 action.

They killed 14 people and injured 40. The father was shot dead by police and the son was shot and is under police guard in hospital.

Since covid Australia has had almost unchecked migration. Literally hundreds of thousands of people. 730 000 alone in 2021 according to a quick google search. Few years of this is a big deal in a country of 25 million people.

So after this religiously motivated terror attack what do you think our government is doing?
Yep, rushing in laws to limit how many firearms a person can have and a suite of other possible restrictions and conditions on obtaining and holding a gun licence.

Word on the street is a limit of 4 guns. 4, four, quattro!
Even possibly not allowing you to have a licence for the reason of recreational hunting. That would effectively ban hunting with guns and remove your reason to own guns if you were not into target club shooting.

The shooters were licenced gun owners with registered guns. Now wait for it.......
They were on a watch list for having flown to the Philippines to attend ISIS training.

They were known terrorist affiliates yet nothing was done by any authority.
The laws we already have, if applied would have prevented this attack.

Yet here we are, gun owners being made scapegoats to cover gross government negligence of multiple departments.

Gun owners are essentially being told that we are terrorists.

Terrorists conduct a religiously motivated attack on innocent people.

Govt- "Take all the guns and ban hunting"

Australia just crossed the Rubicon.

I just really can’t understand why the Australian government doesn’t just go ahead and issue a ban on the private ownership of ALL firearms, since that’s their ultimate goal. To my knowledge, the Australian citizenry has no protections insofar as firearms ownership is concerned.
I had always thought of Australia as having a long and deep firearms/hunting tradition, especially with so much open territory. Sure do like the ammunition they produce ( ADI) !

 

[Turkeytider]

As an American, I do not have an in depth knowledge of Australian gun laws, but I have heard that there have been severe restrictions for a long time. In fact, in American the authoritarian Demonrats have been for many years pointing to the Australian "buy back" (confiscation) as a model to emulate. Of course it won't occur to any of them that none of the laws previously passed were effective to prevent this attack.

Nor will any laws prevent a determined criminal/ terrorist from obtaining the “ tools of his trade “. All it takes is enough money and maybe some time. Laws are for law abiding citizens.