Arrow Ballistic Study

Incredibly detailed study....Kudos to Mr Yates.

Interesting they decided to run everything from a detuned bow.

Likely because a tuned bow shows little variation between the things people sweat over.


There's things to do that benefit you in a hunting situation to make a setup more forgiving.

But to really show much deviation in things between fletching, diameter, broadheads, etc you need a setup that isn't launching them straight to begin with.
 
Very detailed study. I love to geek out over data and analyze things so I enjoyed this! Well done


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This was an amazing study and I really enjoyed the attempt to minimize variables! So cool!

Do you think that the results would be similar if applied to other arrows? I.E-if the same study was conducted with Easton 5.0 vs RIP TKO vs HLR vs Altra vs brand xxxx. I guess what influence does arrow design/materials have on flight dynamics? Some arrows are advertised to have no spine or recover quicker. How (if any) would that factor into how the vane applies control to the arrow?

I can theoretically see how the arrow reacts due to it's design and materials causing variables the vane must overcome, but again that's all theory.

My other question, does the variance in drag from broadhead to broadhead matter in practical application? Like does it matter that broadhead A has a .2 greater drag than broadhead B? Like at what point does the marginal difference in drag begin to create a practical difference? Many times there a statistical relevance, but little when it comes to practical application.

I realize that much of this might be speculation, but I'm not a physicist or engineer, so hoping someone can provide some insights based on expertise!
 
the 2" groups at 70 with an untuned bow ... hopefully this will convince people that it's okay to stop chasing accuracy with their wallets - I mean buy whatever makes you happy, but realize that it will not be the holy grail of accuracy ... and how you tie your nock points don't matter either.

As far as single vs double bevel, I think (hope) most of us who choose single bevel do it for the benefits upon impact - as negligible as they are - in that "if" they hit heavy bone the chances for continued penetration are a skosh better - just a skosh. But yeah - a fixed blade and field point that hit together at 80 yards is by chance, not by quality of product or tuning. Much agreed. I do recall a video a few months ago from Brandon McDonald who was stating that single bevels increased accuracy. As convincing as he may appear to be, i ain't buying it.

The data collected on vane noise left me with more questions than it did to provide me an answer. But I wasn't asking that question to begin with. The author of the article emphasized that portion of the research, stating it was important to him because he states the hiss of the arrow continues after the sound of the bow dissipates. That sounds sensible. But at what point is the animal detecting this, and does it matter? My personal experiences lead me to believe that I could have someone behind me clanging pots together when the bow releases, and it wont change a thing at my hunting distances. The second question it left me with was, the spread in decibels was roughly 9 from the quietest to the loudest- how detectable is a difference of 9 decibels in the 50 - 60 decibel range? And be it 50 decibels or a 100 decibels a noise is noise and it has the animals attention, so does any difference noise level matter? I say it doesn't.

The drag coefficient and wind drift data was something I found interesting. Not enough to change my mind on anything, but the numbers were interesting. Drift was not adequately explained. Was it measuring a group of arrows in a particular configuration, where the entire group had drifted from the POI of the control? If that's the case, then drift is insignificant since it can be corrected with a sight adjustment. The fact that this portion used an out of tune setup though makes it irrelevant and inconclusive in it's results.

I'm curious now how many Iron Will wide single bevels will pop up in the classifieds though, and for likely-to-be unsensible reasons. At my hunting distances at least, the drag coefficient of the wide single bevels is not a factor. If I were hunting out west and shooting 60 or 70 yards, maybe I'd make a different choice. But maybe not. I've yet to hear anyone complain about missing because of drag coefficient. And the Iron Will, from what I can tell is well-regarded in terms of accuracy and flight characteristics. How important is 0.1 in terms of DC? I can keep my field points and IW Wide 125's and 2.25 Tac Divers in a 3 inch circle at 40 yards and under, which is all the farther I shoot anyway.

At the end of the day a Flex Fletch FFP-187 and Iron Will Wide 100 can still be tuned and shot accurately for "typical" bowhunting distances.
 
But yeah - a fixed blade and field point that hit together at 80 yards is by chance, not by quality of product or tuning.
So when you make adjustments to the bow to get BH's and FP's hitting together consistently at 80 yards is just by chance??

Good to see that his equipment agrees with my ears on the Flex Fletch Silent Knight vanes being loud. Those are the only vanes I've tried that I could hear the arrows flying down range.
 
Likely because a tuned bow shows little variation between the things people sweat over.


There's things to do that benefit you in a hunting situation to make a setup more forgiving.

But to really show much deviation in things between fletching, diameter, broadheads, etc you need a setup that isn't launching them straight to begin with.
Yep, exactly.....I didn't want to Poo Poo the study.

It would have been pretty anti climactic to shoot a tuned bow and all of the charts show very little difference.
 
This was a great read, even if my own lack of skill makes most of the differences irrelevant.

Already looking forward to their next one, particularly when it comes to FOC's effect on 'forgiveness.' I bet it'll confirm my hunch that I really need to stop worrying about a difference of a few percentage points.
 
I read through that yesterday and was happy to see I am on the right track with my selections :) This will be my first year trying a mechanical for deer and I opted for the Sevr 1.75. It looks like my vane selection is in the top 20% of the test in all regards so I don't see a reason to change :)
 
I would imagine that some aspects of the study a tune or out of tune bow wouldn't matter. For example when measuring lift and drag, would the tune of the bow matter? Does the tune of the bow change those variables? I'm not sure it does as I would expect that lift and drag are variables created by vane shape, material, and fletching application.
 
The arrow shaft also creates drag, if it flies sideways more drag. More vane corrects the flight quicker so more vane is potentially more forgiving. So I think tune matters in that regard as well as many others.

The excess drag or lift of the vanes is a non issue mostly inside 50 yds.

Arrow weight will also play, less effected by more drag, the test is great, however there are a million variables to play with, so as usual the rabbit hole never gets filled!

Finding the sweet spot for your application is key, this study and the ones he plans on doing will certainly help making decisions easier.
 
Yep, exactly.....I didn't want to Poo Poo the study.

It would have been pretty anti climactic to shoot a tuned bow and all of the charts show very little difference.

90% of the study was with the tuned bow.

The only part that was with the out of tune bow was testing which vanes provided the best lift and recovery.
 
The second question it left me with was, the spread in decibels was roughly 9 from the quietest to the loudest- how detectable is a difference of 9 decibels in the 50 - 60 decibel range? And be it 50 decibels or a 100 decibels a noise is noise and it has the animals attention, so does any difference noise level matter? I say it doesn't.

An increase of 10db equates to twice as loud. So that variation is quite impactful. Whether that matters over the time of flight, I'm not sure but a 9db spread is very large.
 
I found the noise levels of the arrow in flight fascinating and something I have never really considered. I am finishing the initial stages of a bow hunting jacket review, and while some of the jackets were pretty quiet, some seemed loud to the point it might be detrimental to the hunt. What I found was all the jackets created some noise but nothing that registered higher to than the ambient level of 43db on a normal day with natural noise from a slight breeze, some bugs, and some birds.

Every one of these arrows registered higher than 43db, and some were significantly higher. In fact, the noisiest jacket I reviewed showed an inside noise level of 55db right next to the jacket which decreased to 47db at 10ft from the jacket. This is as quiet as the quietest arrow flying in this study. Really good info to know, that despite what we may think is a loud jacket, it probably doesn't matter much in the grand scheme of things, esp if shooting 30+ yards away from the animal.....on all but the quietest of days.
 
An increase of 10db equates to twice as loud. So that variation is quite impactful. Whether that matters over the time of flight, I'm not sure but a 9db spread is very large.

Exactly right.

Typical ambient noise is around 40-43 db, so the difference between 50 and 60 is the difference between twice as loud (40->50) and 4x as loud (40->50->60) as the ambient noise floor.

That's a huge difference.
 
It is a very cool study, and very interesting to look at. It also makes me feel fortunate to not have had a never ending supply of information when I started, because if you are just starting out, read this study, it could seem very overwhelming and complicated (along with all of the rest of the information, both good and bad)

How many people will change up their equipment in response to this study? Of them, how many people will it not even apply to? What I mean by that is, unless it’s a follow up shot, there is almost zero chance of me shooting a first shot at a critter beyond 40yds, I’m not geeking out on optimizing my setup for 80yd shots.

Within reason, noise and forgiveness of my equipment is pretty easily figured out by shooting, if I can’t tell the difference shooting at 60yds at my house, how much can it matter?

So many of the benefit margins in testing is small enough that most won’t ever be able to notice.

I do think a forgiving system is extremely important and valuable, but there is always something weird to me about studies in this context, I will always prefer real world experience

Like I have always said, hunting is caveman stuff

Could easily be differing personalities
 
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