Argument - RF binos vs Stabilizing?

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If I was going to upgrade from some standard bino what is the better way to go? I only rifle hunt. Offhand to 500 yard shots dialing, heavy timber to open county, road hunting to 5-7 mile day hikes.

I like a nice system so I can see both RF and Stabilizing removing a RF or tripod and saving weight.

I have just started to think about this and was wondering about the pros and cons and benefits of both.

It seems like we are at the front end of this technology and most everyone will be running one of these items soon enough.

Looking for your input on this. Thanks.
 
I run stabilizing…. I won’t ever go back to non Stabilized binos. For MYSELF I find so many advantages. I also like having a separate rangefinder.
 
I have never looked through a set of stabilizing binos but there is definitely a lot of hype. I have range finding binos and would have a hard time moving away from them. I would image there will be a stabilized range finding bino in the next couple of years and that will be the way to go!
 
If I was going to upgrade from some standard bino what is the better way to go? I only rifle hunt. Offhand to 500 yard shots dialing, heavy timber to open county, road hunting to 5-7 mile day hikes.

I like a nice system so I can see both RF and Stabilizing removing a RF or tripod and saving weight.

I have just started to think about this and was wondering about the pros and cons and benefits of both.

It seems like we are at the front end of this technology and most everyone will be running one of these items soon enough.

Looking for your input on this. Thanks.
Currently, in my opinion, there are two separate applications (Glassing or Ranging), and you need to determine what is most important and what will yield the most benefit to you. The stabilizing binoculars are fantastic at what they do. My Revics are ok at glassing, but great at what they do.
 
Stabilized are nice for Quick Look’s but not great for long sessions.


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I have had no problem with them for long glassing sessions. But maybe that’s eyes or the way I do my glassing sessions. My swaro binos have been retired. Just carry my stabalized binos and swaro spotter.
 
I'd bet that Sig sticks a rangefinder in their Zulu6's before the end of the current presidency. They've already got image stabilization and range-finding in their Kilo4k. It's just a matter of time.

In the meantime, I'm running range-finding binos while I rifle hunt. But I've heavily considered going to a Zulu6 HDX and a Kilo4k. That setup would be hard to beat for archery, muzzleloader, and rifle hunting. You can also buy both for less than you can get a high-end RF bino like the Leica or Swaro.

If you are also an archery hunter and don't have a monocular rangefinder, go with the Kilo4k and the Zulu6 HDX.
 
I've never looked through IS binos but can share my experience with RF. For rifle hunting, carrying and using both binoculars and a range finder has always seemed like a juggling act to me. And if something moves and I need to re-glass and re-range it just feels ridiculous. I recently switched to the Leica Geovid R's and couldn't be happier. The glass quality is sufficient that I happily use them as my primary binoculars even when I don't need RF. And, when I need RF, the ability to glass and range - and to do so several times without ever coming off the binoculars - is a sufficient step up for me that I don't ever see going back to separates. For dense woods I carry a lighter, lower powered bino and no RF, but for everything else I'm all in on RF binos.
 
I appreciate everyones info. I had the rodeo of bouncing back in forth from binos, rf and scope on a cow elk at 535 yards last year and that is what got me thinking about this. I was successful from a harvest stand point but it was full amateur hour when it went down.
 
I bought the Sig stabilized last year thinking I would use them horseback to make seeing game without getting out of the saddle much easier, which it did, but I liked the damn things so much, I never once used my other binos again. Its just a gamechanger IMO. I hunt western WY highcountry. I always carry a spotter, and am pretty picky on muleys and bulls, so knowing the size is very important, and those binos make covering country so much easier. No more needing a tripod to see if a buck is 170 or 190 at a mile away, I can tell through the binos with ease when the stabilization is on, which just saves time.

SIG just launched the new Stabilized spotting scope, which I will be interested to see some first hand accounts, and might pick one up as well. As far as RF, I use to have Zeiss RF bino, which was great during my guiding days of needing to call out distances all the time, but now adays for myself, my Sig RF in my bino pouch is plenty easy to use, and i have never had a shot where i was in dire need of RF binos over just using a handheld. Both have their advantages, but if you havent tried the IS binos, it truly is unlike anything you have got to use before.
 
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I bought the Sig stabilized last year thinking I would use them horseback to make seeing game without getting out of the saddle much easier, which it did, but I liked the damn things so much, I never once used my other binos again. Its just a gamechanger IMO. I hunt western WY highcountry. I always carry a spotter, and am pretty picky on muleys and bulls, so knowing the size is very important, and those binos make covering country so much easier. No more needing a tripod to see if a buck is 170 or 190 at a mile away, I can tell through the binos with ease when the stabilization is on, which just saves time.

SIG just launched the new Stabilized spotting scope, which I will be interested to see some first hand accounts, and might pick one up as well. As far as RF, I use to have Zeiss RF bino, which was great during my guiding days of needing to call out distances all the time, but now adays for myself, my Sig RF in my bino pouch is plenty easy to use, and i have never had a shot where i was in dire need of RF binos over just using a handheld. Both have their advantages, but if you havent tried the IS binos, it truly is unlike anything you have got to use before.
Which ones did you get for horseback? I’m right there on that idea. At sd at the tac shoot and demo’s the 14 pros today and they are solid but feel too much power for bow hunting in the timber. So am torn between the 10’s and 12’s. The spotting scope is SICK. Crazy cool. Probably be in my pack instead of picking up a stc
 
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Which ones did you get for horseback? I’m right there on that idea. At sd at the tac shoot and demo’s the 14 pros today and they are solid but feel too much power for bow hunting in the timber. So am torn between the 10’s and 12’s. The spotting scope is SICK. Crazy cool. Probably be in my pack instead of picking up a stc
I have the older model 16s. Had zero issues with close encounter bow hunting use. Yea, they are a little to much at times, but at the same time, with bow in hand I can use 1 hand on those and easily peer through timber looking for a horn moving or small body movements very precise when they are in IS mode. I honestly cant say I have anything bad to say about them. I thought I was going to jump back to my 10x50s for bow etc, but never did at all.
 
Between the two, I'd say stabilized binos are a better bet than range finding binos. I prefer a standalone rangefinder.

It's hard to dig out your binos while laying prone behind your rifle to re-range that antelope that just moved 60 yards, much easier to one hand your rangefinder. That's what got me to switch.

I actually just got a pair of Fujifilm stabilized binoculars, and I'm awfully impressed. Not quite my Swaro SLCs in terms of glass, but close enough that I'm thinking about leaving my 15s and tripod at home to save some weight on my archery mule deer hunt this year.
 
I own both, for me its the rangefinding binoculars. I like the image stabilized and its got wow factor. but the glass sucks currently. Everyone who picks them up and glasses the trees at the house loves them. But for what i do, actually hunting with them they dont add anything. The stabilized is amazing in some use cases, and im sure theyd be great on horses or hunting from boats or trucks. For me when im out just scouting or archery hunting ill take those. But for rifle hunting the rf binos are coming every time. They work like regular binos but i dont have to get out a rangefinder. After a season of stabilized binos, in reality for my rifle hunting style the stabilization is irrelevant.
Remember what youre buying. If its 1000 for the unit how much goes towards the bino vs the rf or is? in equivalent prices the sig 6ks and zulu are similar. The 6ks are noticably better glass though. Youre getting maybe 600 of binos and 400 of rf vs the zulus feel like 300 binos with a 7000 stabilization system. And considering sig is really the only stabilized binocular and you can get alpha glass rf binos the question is: How much do you like decent glass vs having the stabilization based on your use? And whats your price range?
 
These are those Fuji binos I mentioned... no RF built in, but I'd wager that they are better glass than the Sig offerings.

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Link to Fuji Binos
 
These are those Fuji binos I mentioned... no RF built in, but I'd wager that they are better glass than the Sig offerings.

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Link to Fuji Binos
Most of these companies aren't actually making their own binos. The Sig, Kite, and Opticron are all the same binocular made in China with slightly different OEM shell. I could not fund anything about country of origin for the Fujis, and the extremely similar look/design tells me they probably also come from the same place. But don't take that as gospel.

As for my limited single-perspective experience, I really think it comes down to how you are hunting.

I bought a pair of the Sig 16x42 HDX for this past season and very much enjoyed using them in more open whitetail settings, and they were phenomenal on my Aoudad hunt.

The IS really is amazing when you don't have a tripod, and easily confirmed button bucks from does in deer herds. Chasing Aoudad, I brought these and my Zeiss 10x42 SFs. The glass cannot be compared between the two outright, and I get headaches rather quickly through standard binos, but for a walking around solution where I was glassing hand-held or off my knees over distances that did not necessitate a tripod, the HDX gave me no issues due to the more perceived clear image.

Because my eyes were not looking through them for long unbroken stretches, they constantly had the opportunity to rest, and and were not straining to look through vibration like handholding my Zeiss.

I also found that because of the thin profile, I could carry both the HDX and separate rangefinder in my Sentinel Bino Harness bino pocket, which freed up the one wing pocket location to use the Kestrel/Extra Mag pouch instead, which was really nice. I carried the SFs in my pack as strictly tripod-based glass.

When put on a tripod, my experience was a complete 180. I see people complain about the lack of tripod-stud options on the Sig models (I went with the Tricer mount, which worked fine), but unless you are only buying one optic, I wouldn't bother with putting the Sigs on a tripod.

The difference in glass is immediately apparent in both brightness at dusk and image quality. Where I felt I had more useable FOV in the Sigs over the Zeiss while handholding, the tripod really shows just how small their sweet spot is, and you won't be looking through the outer 40% of the glass on a tripod.

The Pros were recently released, but it seems the consistent report is that while slightly brighter at dan/dusk, they also have a softer image than the standard HDX, which is a no-go.

Also, while the panning stabilization mode is phenomenal, the increased stabilization mode is useless, as it significantly degrades the image. Regardless of how things looked on Youtube vids, in real scenarios I could discern more detail with IS mode 1 than when target mode was activated.

The IS binos also seem rather fragile. I've had the SF's since they came out. They've been dropped and beat to hell by my kids, and not babied during all these hunting seasons. The collimation is still near-perfect. I couldn't figure out why the image was looking so bad through my Sigs this spring until I threw them on a tripod, and the collimation was completely trashed and had to go back (this was checked when I received them, so I know the unit wasn't bad before I used them.)

To Sig's credit, they immediately shipped me a new pair (they don't make them, so cannot repair them), but I did not have any immediate need for a set of high-mag binos this season and ultimately sold them.

So all in all, a tough choice between IS and RF for chest binos. The IS truly is game changing for handheld spotting, but you have to deal with separate units and poor FOV in the lower mags that IMO would be preferrable for this role. RF binos come with the decreased glass quality from alphas (though most are better than HDX glass) with no stability control, but with a far better RF experience than a separate monocular unit.
 
So got a pair of 14x Zulu hdx pro’s off a prize table shortly after getting a pair of 12x50 maven b6s.

I also own revic br10s and use them for NRL hunter matches.

I don’t use the mavens that much anymore.

Been on some scouting trips lately and yeah at 2mins past shooting light are they as good as NL pures or the mavens no.

I have a maven s3 spotter and I’ll put that on the tripod and turn it sideways and put the 14s on top of the scope body and glass. If I see something turn the spotter and see what it is if it’s far away. Aziak has a tripod mount for them I will be buying. But just being able to walk a ridge line and glass with 14s wholly shit boys, game changer. Like IMO the glass is good enough in these it won’t hold you back. I used them at TAC in red lodge and was constantly glassing the area and in the timber. I think for 90% of situations hunting they rock.

Now for me there is some times I miss my maven 15s. I feel like they had more FOV and the low light with the 56mm was better. But my spotter on 20x makes up for that, and do use my spotter on the low end a lot.

Sig guy at tac told me within a year they will have rangefinder built into the stabilized binos. At that point it’s game over, esp if they do a 12x50 with AB built in with the same glass as the HDX pros.

So going into this fall I’ll probably be running the sigs on my chest and a Revic br4 rangefinder for my ballistics. The pros of the sigs are more valuable to me then the pros of the revics and mavens.


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