Are we really hunting?

@rodney482 And I guess because you did it, thats the only way?
You do realize we have data on this, and the data says we’ve been failing at maintaining hunting partcipation? Thats the single largest source of conservation funding we have, and you want to keep doing whatbwe did 40 years ago because you’re jealous some kid will shoot your buck?

Btw, maybe thats true where you are, but around here 3 year olds in youth season is not a thing. Does. Not. Exist. Sorry, I just dont see that on a widespread level—certainly not enough to characterize youth seasons that way.
 
rodney482 said:
built diff lol.. yeah we didnt have that soft crap here in IN in the 80's... wasnt till the age of "everyone is a winner" did IN bring in youth season and pussified the sport.
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You would think some one as hard as you wouldn’t be a cry baby about kids getting your deer. It’s not fair I didn’t get to do it so they shouldn’t get to. Soft as baby shit
 
This thread was about whether it is still “hunting”, given we have technology now that we didnt in the past, and regulations that allow it. (And ignoring that just about every facet of life has changed around hunting and within hunting).

Seems its mostly about provincialism and jealousy. It honestly appears to me like if this stuff looks like a problem to you, and you arent talking about population-level impacts on wildlife, that you might be as much “the problem with hunting”, as the technology or regs.
 
DonV said:
It is someone I let hunt my property. He started out with bait, longbow and cell camera. The more I thought about the cell camera and bait the more I personally was hesitant. He then switched to crossbow. I will not criticize someone for hunting legally even if I disagree.

This post is 2 fold

1. Curious what others think about this topic in general.

2. My own personally decision about if I let him continue to do this.
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You should kick him off your property and tell him what a loser non-hunter he really is!!!!
 
Someone said something to the effect of

"people are just trying to feed their families"

And while I know there are some people who truly hunt for subsistence, the vast majority of us do not. We like having wild game, but its not a need.

IME true subsistence hunters are a very small minority.

I also know hunters that never eat what they kill. The couple I know just give it away. Im not exactly sure what their motivation to hunt is.
 
Macintosh said:
@rodney482 And I guess because you did it, thats the only way?
You do realize we have data on this, and the data says we’ve been failing at maintaining hunting partcipation? Thats the single largest source of conservation funding we have, and you want to keep doing whatbwe did 40 years ago because you’re jealous some kid will shoot your buck?

Btw, maybe thats true where you are, but around here 3 year olds in youth season is not a thing. Does. Not. Exist. Sorry, I just dont see that on a widespread level—certainly not enough to characterize youth
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Macintosh said:
@rodney482 And I guess because you did it, thats the only way?
You do realize we have data on this, and the data says we’ve been failing at maintaining hunting partcipation? Thats the single largest source of conservation funding we have, and you want to keep doing whatbwe did 40 years ago because you’re jealous some kid will shoot your buck?

Btw, maybe thats true where you are, but around here 3 year olds in youth season is not a thing. Does. Not. Exist. Sorry, I just dont see that on a widespread level—certainly not enough to characterize youth seasons that way.
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correct not all states are the same
 
A bunch of grown men upset that children get something they do not. Take a step back and be happy the youth still care about hunting at all. If a child is out hunting you, the issue is with you.
 
DonV said:
It is someone I let hunt my property. He started out with bait, longbow and cell camera. The more I thought about the cell camera and bait the more I personally was hesitant. He then switched to crossbow. I will not criticize someone for hunting legally even if I disagree.

This post is 2 fold

1. Curious what others think about this topic in general.

2. My own personally decision about if I let him continue to do this.
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You dont have to force yourself to be comfortable with something just because its legal. Its your land, your rules.

If you choose to lay down some rules, i think theres a way to respect his choices while standing firm on yours. But it is a fine line. Good luck.
 
KurtR said:
If it’s legal who am I to judge.

I won’t jump shoot ducks or geese but if some on wants to what ever just don’t bust the roost.
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Legal doesn't always mean ethical. I don't think government should be the authority on morals and ethics.
 
ReaptheHeat said:
Legal doesn't always mean ethical. I don't think government should be the authority on morals and ethics.
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agree. Which is why in most states its a citizen board that largely defines hunting regulations, in cooperation with the state biologists and agencies. Every state is different, but for instance in my state this process, while the anti's have tried to hijack it same as everywhere else, is working pretty darn well. It's very easy to point to areas where this system has major problems (colorado, etc) and no one will argue that it's perfect, but it's also super easy to point to many areas where this system has worked, and continues to work, exceptionally well. It's not perfect, but it's one of the reasons why it's simply not correct to say that the regulations, which are to a degree a representation of what we find acceptable as a group of hunters, are "dictated by government". It's also a slippery slope putting ethics into either legislation or regulation, and many people (me included) are justifiably nervous about doing so. Especially since the opportunity-based conservation funding model we use benefits overall from bringing more people into the activity, or at least maintaining the people we do have, which means there is a clear, quantifiable negative that results from excluding or putting roadblocks in the way of participation. It's also a big part of the reason why I earlier said that if you dont know the difference between legislation and regulation, it's worth reading up on before having this conversation. The point I and a few others have been making all along in this thread though, is that its not clear from what people are complaining about here, that there is any actual reason beyond personal preference why these things (crossbows, youth days, whatever topic has come under this topic here in this thread) are problematic. If there is a legit problem being created, we should have a conversation about whether they should continue--but if you cant or arent pointing to a legit quantifiable problem, then it's nothing more than whining about someone doing it differently than you. MY morals and ethics arent decided by ANY other person, any more than they are by government. The question imo should be much more bout WHY someone thinks X, Y or Z approach is "more ethical". Is it purely preference? Or does it have an impact on others in the big picture? Two totally different situations.
 
I find that people who talk shit about at a bait pile usually don't have much experience hunting them. They don't have an opinion- they have a theory.

Im a Texan, so that means I got my start hunting box blinds over corn feeders. I still enjoy it to this day. Nostalgia, i guess. Ive never known mature bucks to be easy to kill, even with a box blind, feeder, and camera. YMV.
 
Macintosh said:
@rodney482 And I guess because you did it, thats the only way?
You do realize we have data on this, and the data says we’ve been failing at maintaining hunting partcipation? Thats the single largest source of conservation funding we have, and you want to keep doing whatbwe did 40 years ago because you’re jealous some kid will shoot your buck?

Btw, maybe thats true where you are, but around here 3 year olds in youth season is not a thing. Does. Not. Exist. Sorry, I just dont see that on a widespread level—certainly not enough to characterize youth seasons that way.
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I’d argue that youth seasons drive down hunter participation.

Around here when I was 12 I was excited to be part of the group hunting. Some of that is what keeps me doing it. Youth seasons takes that away. Whether we realize it or not

No different than if we made a special season for grandpa. Sure some would love it, but grandpa wouldn’t be hunting with his family anymore.
 
Lawnboi said:
I’d argue that youth seasons drive down hunter participation.

Around here when I was 12 I was excited to be part of the group hunting. Some of that is what keeps me doing it. Youth seasons takes that away. Whether we realize it or not

No different than if we made a special season for grandpa. Sure some would love it, but grandpa wouldn’t be hunting with his family anymore.
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Doesnt that assume that the youth will ONLY be hunting on youth days?
 
bnewt3 said:
Doesnt that assume that the youth will ONLY be hunting on youth days?
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It does. I’m around alot of people with kids. From what I have seen participation longer term has gone down in all but the hardcore hunting families.

And I don’t mean to pick on guys but I also see it as a cop out to be able to focus on ourselves during the actual season.

Of course you will have exceptions, I know a few personally. But you don’t see kids out like you used to anymore, and that’s because they are out the first week of October for their own season
 
IMO I would bet they just wouldnt take the kids if there was no youth season. Selfish parents are selfish parents.

But I have no experience with anyone either way so thats just my opinion. I dont even know if we have a youth season in NC. I dont care. Ill be taking my son with me next year anytime he wants to go with me.

Edit: we do have a youth season, last weekend in Sept. If my son wants to, we will go.
 
bnewt3 said:
IMO I would bet they just wouldnt take the kids if there was no youth season. Selfish parents are selfish parents.

But I have no experience with anyone either way so thats just my opinion. I dont even know if we have a youth season in NC. I dont care. Ill be taking my son with me next year anytime he wants to go with me.
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Nothing wrong with that. I’m just sharing my experience with WI. There was no youth season when I was a kid, and I’m now at an age where I have watched it come and seen kids grow up with youth seasons.

I have zero issue with what some do about loss of bucks or hand outs. I think it’s hurting more the tradition of hunting than anything.
 
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