Are they as rare as hen's teeth?

[bnewt3]

It occurred to me that i NEVER see the Mossberg Patriot mentioned, much less recommended. Part of it I already know is that Tikka makes a great rifle for not much more money so virtually all of the entry-level rifles are overlooked, especially here on RS. But Savages have a reputation for shooting, even if they lack in other areas. Rugers as well. They both get mentioned at least.

Is it just THAT rare to find a shooter Patriot?

I have one that was given to me. I have hardly shot it because it was given to me with an absolute trash piece of glass on it and dirt cheap rings that I havent replaced yet. If it shoots pretty well, it will become my son's when he can handle it well, so im grateful for that, and hopefully that will be cool a way for my son to remember his grandfather.

Also, small rant incoming, my FIL gave me the mossberg a couple of years ago. It was kinda weird. We were visiting him, I told him I was going to get a 6.5 Creed and it was going to be left-handed so I was deciding between X and Y. Right before we left from that visit he pulled it out of the safe and gave it to me(its right handed). This weekend, we met up to do Christmas with him. As part of my gift, me gave me a box of Hornady Precision Hunter in 6.5........with 15 rounds in the box. I didnt notice until we got home. We are raising our son to be grateful for every gift, no matter what and I have to do the same......but im struggling with this. He and his wife have a history of extremely thoughtless/borderline disrepectful gifts for everyone, not just us(this year he got my 52yo wife a small stuffed unicorn because............?). I will, of course, never mention it to him. But wtf.

 

[fatlander]

Unless a gun has real sentimental value, I see no reason for holding on to it. Sell it locally, take it a pawn shop, etc. Then put that money towards what you actually want. Life is too short to hold on to guns that you don’t like and don’t shoot.


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[bnewt3]

Unless a gun has real sentimental value, I see no reason for holding on to it. Sell it locally, take it a pawn shop, etc. Then put that money towards what you actually want. Life is too short to hold on to guns that you don’t like and don’t shoot.


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Since then, I got the rifle I wanted, so no issues there. Ill hang onto the one he gave me at least until my FIL is gone......but if my son shows any interest, it will be his.....assuming it shoots.

But that story was just a detour about how I got one and therefore what made me think about it. The main point is just that Patriots arent popular. I have seen a few things here and there about them shooting horribly, I dont think I have seen anything about them shooting well.......which then makes me wonder why Mossberg isnt either fixing things or discontinuing/replacing them.

 

[Choupique]

There's a 100ATR in my family that has killed a lot of deer. It shoots well and is pretty light weight. Nothing wrong with having a beater around if it shoots well.

 

[fatlander]

Since then, I got the rifle I wanted, so no issues there. Ill hang onto the one he gave me at least until my FIL is gone......but if my son shows any interest, it will be his.....assuming it shoots.

But that story was just a detour about how I got one and therefore what made me think about it. The main point is just that Patriots arent popular. I have seen a few things here and there about them shooting horribly, I dont think I have seen anything about them shooting well.......which then makes me wonder why Mossberg isnt either fixing things or discontinuing/replacing them.

If they shot well, at a value, you’d hear about it. There’s a reason tikkas get the love they do. They shoot.

For a value gun, sample size of 1, the Winchester XPR impressed me. I won a 6.5 PRC in a raffle, topped it with a vx freedom in Talley rings, had the muzzle threaded, and gifted it to my dad. First day at the range, it turned out five sub moa 3 shot groups with hornady factory eldx, best group was sub .5 MOA. The trigger in that gun is every bit as good as my tikka. The action isn’t tikka smooth; but it’s not bad.


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[Long84]

I spoke with a guy at my local range this weekend. He was shooting a Patriot. The rifle had already been rebarreled by Mossberg due to accuracy issues. He had at least a dozen different boxes of ammo on his table. Said the best he had gotten after the rebarrel was 1.5 - 2 inches, which was an improvement from the basketball sized group that he said it was producing before.

 

[bnewt3]

I spoke with a guy at my local range this weekend. He was shooting a Patriot. The rifle had already been rebarreled by Mossberg due to accuracy issues. He had at least a dozen different boxes of ammo on his table. Said the best he had gotten after the rebarrel was 1.5 - 2 inches, which was an improvement from the basketball sized group that he said it was producing before.

And thats the common theme ive seen from them for years........yet they wont improve them. Weird. They have direct price competitors that on average shoot far better from what ive seen reported. I cant imagine how their business model lets them say "we make an inferior product to our competitors for similar price, thats fine". Their margin on junk barrels must be outstanding and they keep selling enough I guess.

The Backfire/UR project(after much screwing around with basically building a new rifle instead of actually diagnosing it) found that the barrel is junk.

TLDW: Jim at backfire got one to review that wouldnt shoot, I think he got one halfway decent group one time that it couldnt repeat with the same ammo so likely just pure luck within the large cone of fire. He sent it to UR to diagnose. Gavin started by trying a tiny bit of this and that to no avail. He then went straight to a full build with only the action and bolt reused. It shot, surprise surprise. Then I think he got torched on SM about not actually diagnosing anything so he tore it down and reassembled back to factory and then followed a diagnostic process to determine that the barrel was the culprit.

 

[.270]

I bought one in 6.5 creed to see if a this cheap rifle was worth a hoot. It wasnt. I tried a bunch of different loads but couldnt get anything to group consistent. I bought a prefit from McGowen for the patriot in 6.5 creed and a cheap stock from Boyds to use as a truck/ loaner gun. I have the parts but I havent spun off the barrel yet. Maybe a project for this spring time.

 

[journeyman713]

Some years back I picked up the model preceding the Patriot from a Ducks Unlimited raffle, it was called the Mossberg 4x4, has the D.U. logo on it, not a bad looking rifle, well made, smooth action, adjustable trigger, and shoots well. I've taken a few whitetails, and my first elk at 340yds with this gun. It's not a top shelf rifle, but I like it, still have it as a backup.

Mossberg later released the Patriot as an 'upgraded 4x4'. I wouldn't be to quick to rule the Patriot out as a good value.

 

[bnewt3]

Some years back I picked up the model preceding the Patriot from a Ducks Unlimited raffle, it was called the Mossberg 4x4, has the D.U. logo on it, not a bad looking rifle, well made, smooth action, adjustable trigger, and shoots well. I've taken a few whitetails, and my first elk at 340yds with this gun. It's not a top shelf rifle, but I like it, still have it as a backup.

Mossberg later released the Patriot as an 'upgraded 4x4'. I wouldn't be to quick to rule the Patriot out as a good value.

Then aside from the RS Tikka fixation ( well-earned btw), how do you explain the complete lack of mossberg supporters when someone seeks budget rifle recommendations? At least thats my anecdotal observation. Recently ive seen Sauer, Ruger, Savage, but I cant recall a single person throwing out the Patriot as a good option.

 

[journeyman713]

Then aside from the RS Tikka fixation ( well-earned btw), how do you explain the complete lack of mossberg supporters when someone seeks budget rifle recommendations? At least thats my anecdotal observation. Recently ive seen Sauer, Ruger, Savage, but I cant recall a single person throwing out the Patriot as a good option.

Good question. No good answer, except it hasn't gone unnoticed, and not just here on RS, other groups as well.
There are some very popular products, that people tend to pile on, either favorably, or unfavorably, that can be quite disproportionate, than a wider group would reflect.

 

[bnewt3]

Good question. No good answer, except it hasn't gone unnoticed, and not just here on RS, other groups as well.
There are some very popular products, that people tend to pile on, either favorably, or unfavorably, that can be quite disproportionate, than a wider group would reflect.

Their sales must not reflect the(possibly only my perception of) lack of support. Which I find odd.

But then again, Im a former car mechanic and I routinely saw LOTS of vehicles that not a single mechanic ive ever worked with would own....yet people keep buying them. I never could wrap my head around that.

 

[journeyman713]

Their sales must not reflect the(possibly only my perception of) lack of support. Which I find odd.

But then again, Im a former car mechanic and I routinely saw LOTS of vehicles that not a single mechanic ive ever worked with would own....yet people keep buying them. I never could wrap my head around that.

In general, consider not limiting reviews and reports from any one particular club.

Google this rifle for reviews and reports, you may be surprised.

 

[Jon C]

Then aside from the RS Tikka fixation ( well-earned btw), how do you explain the complete lack of mossberg supporters when someone seeks budget rifle recommendations? At least thats my anecdotal observation. Recently ive seen Sauer, Ruger, Savage, but I cant recall a single person throwing out the Patriot as a good option.

Seen tc and Winchester xpr and hoses mentioned also along with cva as good beater guns. I had a mossberg shotgun that was a cheap Walmart special that put me off ever looking at mossberg.

 

[Choupique]

had a mossberg shotgun that was a cheap Walmart special that put me off ever looking at mossberg.

The good thing is that when it looks like butthole brand new, it doesnt hurt your feelings to wreck it.

My experience with mossberg has been limited but all positive. I like their shotguns and cheap rifles for what they are - cheap.

 

[Jon C]

The good thing is that when it looks like butthole brand new, it doesnt hurt your feelings to wreck it.

My experience with mossberg has been limited but all positive. I like their shotguns and cheap rifles for what they are - cheap.

Bought it used and plastic pieces flew everywhere everytime I pumped it. Couldn’t keep barrel on tight. Might have been ok new. But I only paid like 75 for it at a gun store.

 

[Pharmseller]

Then aside from the RS Tikka fixation

It ain’t just RS.

 

[S-3 ranch]

I have a Mossberg patriot in 375 ruger SS and composite stock , it is a decent shooter for a beater bear & elk rifle
If tikka chambered in 375 or 9.3x62 I would have two beater rifles a mossberg and tikka.
I’m a Sauer fan over tikka,

 

[K9kodi]

I believe certain manufacturers build firearms that they are known for then dabble in the rest to keep an audience. Mossberg to be, is known for and will only ever be known for a value priced entry level reliable pump shotgun. For example, smith and Wesson is known for revolvers and possibly their level guns. Winchester is known for level guns and a model 70.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

I have a Mossberg patriot in 375 ruger SS and composite stock , it is a decent shooter for a beater bear & elk rifle
If tikka chambered in 375 or 9.3x62 I would have two beater rifles a mossberg and tikka.
I’m a Sauer fan over tikka,

I have a Tikka M690 and a Sauer 100 chambered in 9.3x62. There are good options out there.