Well first, "massive tissue damage" says little to me, a grenade causes "massive tissue damage", multiple hits from a full auto weapon causes the same and so does the front end of a 3/4 T truck at 50 mph -
Destroyed vitals are what kills. The more tissue destroyed, the faster death happens.
I’m not sure what your point is here? Is it that “match” bullets such as ELD-M’s and Berger VLD’s don’t kill well? Or that they cause too much damage?
I understand that you feel that you have much more experience killing stuff than the rest of us or me
No. And this is a weak argument. I work on facts and reality- I do not bring feelings to any of this.
killing stuff and killing something you are going to eat can be and often are subjective topics and since you didn't address my comments re: long or "longer" range and what bullet does what & how it does it, my question seems unanswered - although life and wild animals are unpredictable I prefer killing an animal I plan to eat, often times quite a distance from roads and vehicles, using a bullet that is ….. "predictable" and maybe I'm naïve but shooting a thin jacketed frangible, albeit it very accurate, bullet because it causes subjectively more tissue damage than a more specifically engineered projectile makes less sense than calling a projectile a "devil bullet"
Again- what are you asking? Not being rude, but your sentences run into one another, and it is difficult to tease out what is a question, and what is a statement.
Trying here. Yes, there can be differences between purely the best killing bullets and preferences in meat saving.
What comment (question?) about “long or "longer" range and what bullet does what & how it does it” did you ask?
Those thin jacketed, frangible, accurate bullets you are railing against are the MOST predictable bullets made. They only “hunting” bullet that is as predicable across a range of velocities is a probably a Partition. The “hunting” bullets with the most failures in testing and use are monolithics like TSX’s, E Tips, GMX’s, etc. To the tune of failure to expand adequately (greater then caliber size) around 20-30% of the time when impact velocity is below 2300’ish FPS. A person may not like how ELD-M’s work in tissue, but they are very predictable.
At long range tissue damage is what you are looking for. A heavy for caliber Berger VLD will penetrate through an elks humerus at 50 yards before fragmenting and causing massive damage to the vitals, and it will do the same at 500. And the same at 700. And all the way down to between 1,900-1,800fps impact velocity. No “hunting” bullet will do that. Partitions and Accubonds are generally fine bullets on game, but wound channels, and consequently “killing” ability suffer at long ranges. Not to mention their relatively poor BC makes hitting less likely, and drops velocity retention goes down even farther. 0-500 yards- sure. Maybe farther depending on speed and which bullet.
Monolithics? Nah. Most people would not like how little they expand below 2,400fps impacts. If they saw how small the wound channel actually is, even fewer would like them. Yes they kill, and yes there may be a an exit wound bigger than bullet size (which is to be expected even if no expansion occurs if one understands how bullets behave in tissue), but broadheads kill too.
I don't assert irrefutable knowledge about things I don't have a lot of experience with but I will ask questions and sometimes challenge a statement as fact that doesn't appear necessarily true
What doesn’t appear true to you?
While on the "accurate" note I'll say that somewhere back I recall reading your comments on "accuracy" and 3 shot, 5 shot & 10 shot groups and calling one's rifle or shooting "accurate", and my point ? Most modern hunting rifles with modern HUNTING bullets can attain your proclaimed 10 shot accuracy with practice so why use a "target" bullet for hunting ?
Just to prove a point ? Big game animals deserve more IMO...….
Again, you’re not making sense here. Or at least I’m not u deratanding what you are getting at. That hunting bullets can be precise? Of course. Who said otherwise?
The reason for using bullets like ELD-M’s and Berger is because they KILL BETTER. They have higher hit rates at distance, they damage more tissue at low velocities, and they are more predictable at most velocities.
It seems your premise is that “hunting” bullets kill better. If so- no, they do not. When large numbers of animals are killed with both conventional bullets and some match bullets- there is a clear difference in time to incapacitation, distance traveled after the hit, and the animals reaction.