Ambler road project

I wanted to provide some further information on this statement. The critical materials initiative has been ongoing for a number of years now to meet the demand for renewable, battery, and critical electronic/technology components. Here is a summary video published by the Department of Energy in 2023 that does a nice job explaining the initiative. I also pulled out a graph of this video to highlight that the materials they are targeting in this initiative are some of the primary ones being targeted by the Ambler Road mine.

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This initiative is very much active with Representative Susie Lee (D-NV) and others appearing last week at a seminar focused on the materials crucial for renewable energy supply chains put on by Critical Materials and SEIA, the largest renewable lobbying group in the country: https://seia.org/events/forum-on-es...hain-supporting-the-u-s-grid-storage-industry . The Department of Interior recently posted a listed of 60 critical minerals for the US economy and national security: https://www.doi.gov/pressreleases/interior-department-releases-final-2025-list-critical-minerals .


This is what a mandated net zero renewable energy policy looks like folks. It is not simply the large scale development of renewable generation on private and public lands. It is the supply chain including projects such as Ambler Road. Some of the largest conservation groups in the country and world that are now posting their opposition to this and other mining projects are the very groups that helped make the Ambler Road project financially attractive by embarking on PR campaigns to promote large scale renewable energy build outs for net zero. Those PR campaigns promoting national and international policy initiatives for renewable build outs have been highly effective. A graph of energy capacity changes shows where we are heading. It's more of these projects, not less.


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Do we actually need more projects like that though, or maybe we just need to take better advantage of existing projects?

Also, I've posted this in other related threads, but the WACH working group always discusses the ambler road during their meetings regarding impacts to caribou, subsistence, etc. https://westernarcticcaribou.net/the-group/past-meeting-summaries/
 
Do we actually need more projects like that though, or maybe we just need to take better advantage of existing projects?

Also, I've posted this in other related threads, but the WACH working group always discusses the ambler road during their meetings regarding impacts to caribou, subsistence, etc. https://westernarcticcaribou.net/the-group/past-meeting-summaries/

I will just reiterate before I respond. I feel neutral and conflicted on the Ambler Road project. I like the idea of roadless, remote areas, but I use a smart phone, synthetic clothing, drive a combustion vehicle etc.

I was not able to access the actual article. I will just go off the news article. I am not an expert on mining practices so I am not sure my analysis would be all that better than a layman's. I absolutely agree with the idea that better efficiency and recycling practices should be employed to help meet demand. Doing so is not only a good way to delay or avoid mining in sensitive areas, but making reserves last longer into the future. I don't think any mining operation would be against improving efficiency but doing so in practice is costly and probably difficult operationally.

As to whether efficiency and recycling improvements can meet demand, I think that is a stretch personally. The reason I continually talk about net zero is because it bring scale of the energy transition and timeframe of the transition into the picture. The idea that recycling and mining efficiency technology are going to evolve and be retrofitted into existing operations on such a small timeframe to meet the increasing demand seems impossible. The scale of the energy demand we are talking about meeting is replacing all fossil fuel emissions by 2050 (minus capture technology). That is only energy demand, vast storage requiring huge quantities of lithium and other battery components are required to make the transition to a renewable grid. Then, if we start talking about the rapid growth of AI and AI datacenters then demand for these minerals increases even more.

The second article about mine water as a source of minerals. I am also a big yes on that one. I have been in numerous conferences in which someone has a poster or presents that are trying to address that or mineral extraction from oil and gas brines. Seems like this might be a potential source, but like the first article, meeting demand with this method is going to be a stretch especially in a short term scenario. I don't think this tech is quite there yet and certainly not close to being deployable at scale from what I have heard. Maybe someone more knowledgeable in that field can correct or confirm my understanding.

As far as caribou behavior and conservation links, you forgot more caribou knowledge just yesterday than I have ever possessed. I can't comment on that species or study specifically other than the guy/group in the article seems sincere and knowledgeable.

The point of my post was pretty much that telling the general public that the world is going to end catastrophically in a few years unless we globally transition to renewable and emission free technology within 2 decades has resulted in a large push towards increased mining. Many of those mineral deposits are in remote locations that we as hunters would prefer stay remote.
 
I will just reiterate before I respond. I feel neutral and conflicted on the Ambler Road project. I like the idea of roadless, remote areas, but I use a smart phone, synthetic clothing, drive a combustion vehicle etc.

The first article you linked from Science was a news article about a published study. I was unable to find the published study. According to the news article, more efficiency at existing mining projects as well as better recycling procedures can provide a large supply of some of these minerals. Without looking at the actual study, I am not able to provide my detailed opinion on it. I am not an expert on mining practices so I am not sure my analysis would be all that better than a layman's. I absolutely agree with the idea that better efficiency and recycling practices should be employed to help meet demand. Doing so is not only a good way to delay or avoid mining in sensitive areas, but making reserves last longer into the future. I don't think any mining operation would be against improving efficiency but doing so in practice is costly and probably difficult operationally.

As to whether efficiency and recycling improvements can meet demand, I think that is a stretch personally. The reason I continually talk about net zero is because it bring scale of the energy transition and timeframe of the transition into the picture. The idea that recycling and mining efficiency technology are going to evolve and be retrofitted into existing operations on such a small timeframe to meet the increasing demand seems impossible. The scale of the energy demand we are talking about meeting is replacing all fossil fuel emissions by 2050 (minus capture technology). That is only energy demand, vast storage requiring huge quantities of lithium and other battery components are required to make the transition to a renewable grid. Then, if we start talking about the rapid growth of AI and AI datacenters then demand for these minerals increases even more.

The second article about mine water as a source of minerals. I am also a big yes on that one. I have been in numerous conferences that are trying to address that or mineral extraction from oil and gas brines. Seems like this might be a potential source, but like the first article, meeting demand with this method is going to be a stretch especially in a short term scenario. I don't think this tech is quite there yet and certainly not close to being deployable at scale from what I have heard. Maybe someone more knowledgeable in that field can correct or confirm my understanding.

As far as caribou behavior and conservation links, you forgot more caribou knowledge just yesterday than I have ever possessed. I can't comment on that species or study specifically other than the guy/group in the article seems sincere and knowledgeable.

The point of my post was pretty much that telling the general public that the world is going to end catastrophically in a few years unless we globally transition to renewable and emission free technology within 2 decades has resulted in a large push towards increased mining. Many of those mineral deposits are in remote locations that we as hunters would prefer stay remote.
I had included a link to the science article, but it didn't come up as a big one like the others. https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adw8997

It's paywalled, but here's an excerpt from the abstract: "Ninety percent recovery of by-products from existing domestic metal mining operations could meet nearly all US critical mineral needs; one percent recovery would substantially reduce import reliance for most elements that we evaluated."

Found this video from USGS too. Just seems to me looking in existing tailings is such low hanging fruit that should be tapped before trying to push through a huge project that won't actually produce anything for years (at which point who knows if we'll even need those minerals at the rate tech advancements are occurring -- maybe space minerals are the future).

Caribou links were meant for the group, not necessarily in response to your post.
 
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