AM I THE ONLY ONE?

[Ozarkansas]

We all know that on Rokslide, the term “liberal” refers to someone that disagrees with over something for which you are not articulate enough to provide a counter-argument.

When I get tired of getting called a liberal on Rokslide, I just go over to Reddit where everyone calls me a fascist and alt-right, that way I get some nice balance in my life.

 

[Poser]

This must be the most scholarly and well debated communication amongst any people who ever existed that were in anyway fans of or associated with being fans of the band, or just like to talk about the [ultra shitty] post grunge-wannbes “Stained”

Are we going to have a philosophical discussion about the band Creed next or should we skip straight to the late 90s nu metal bands? Was Korn better than Limp Bizkit? What about Mushroom Head?

Anyway, I actually can’t wait to watch the Woodstock 99 documentary.

 

[Mudd Foot]

When I get tired of getting called a liberal on Rokslide, I just go over to Reddit where everyone calls me a fascist and alt-right, that way I get some nice balance in my life.

For the most part, without liberals we (the West) wouldn’t have literature, Art, music, architecture, etc. Am thinking most of us here are centrists that lean a little bit more in one direction of the other. That’s a good, if not great thing. Leftists (and you can include alt-right societies as well), and a move beyond a balanced, centered checks-and -balances approach is what I was arguing against above.


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[Ozarkansas]

For the most part, without liberals we (the West) wouldn’t have literature, Art, music, architecture, etc. Am thinking most of us here are centrists that lean a little bit more in one direction of the other. That’s a good, if not great thing. Leftists (and you can include alt-right societies as well), and a move beyond a balanced, centered checks-and -balances approach is what I was arguing against above.


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I agree with that 100%. Dramatic societal shifts in either direction are disruptive. Sometimes-like the revolutionary war- we look back and say that disruption was worth it. I think We both agree that not many Athenians felt that their disruptions were worth losing to Sparta (then Thebes, then Macedon, then Rome, etc. it’s pretty much been downhill for the Greeks ever since)

 

[Poser]

For the most part, without liberals we (the West) wouldn’t have literature, Art, music, architecture, etc. Am thinking most of us here are centrists that lean a little bit more in one direction of the other. That’s a good, if not great thing. Leftists (and you can include alt-right societies as well), and a move beyond a balanced, centered checks-and -balances approach is what I was arguing against above.


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Many likely fit into the parameters of Classical Liberalism:

Classical liberalism is a political ideology and a branch of liberalism that advocates civil liberties under the rule of law with an emphasis on economic freedom. ... Notable liberal individuals whose ideas contributed to classical liberalism include John Locke, Jean-Baptiste Say, Thomas Robert Malthus and David Ricardo.

For example, Jordan Peterson defines himself as a “Classical Liberal” though many seem to think he’s far right wing.

 

[Mudd Foot]

Many likely fit into the parameters of Classical Liberalism:

Classical liberalism is a political ideology and a branch of liberalism that advocates civil liberties under the rule of law with an emphasis on economic freedom. ... Notable liberal individuals whose ideas contributed to classical liberalism include John Locke, Jean-Baptiste Say, Thomas Robert Malthus and David Ricardo.

For example, Jordan Peterson defines himself as a “Classical Liberal” though many seem to think he’s far right wing.

The media likes to try and paint him into the right wing for the purpose of creating click bait. “How else are we gonna get you to read the news we sell if it isn’t EXPLOSIVE!?”

I have thoroughly enjoyed every single piece I’ve listen to or watched from Jordan Peterson. I might have somewhere upwards of 100 hours between podcasts and YouTube.

The title that I like most, or the one that I like to think describes me best is that of Rugged Individualist. I came up dirt poor, but now I’m not. And am now trying to be responsible to you ( in a plural sense), my wife, my children, etc. by taking responsibility in my own small way and making the world around me a better place. These are my private prayers truth be told.


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[GSPHUNTER]

Time to lock this topic. They never fail to get way off topic.

 

[Poser]

Time to lock this topic. They never fail to get way off topic.

Seems like this one has been largely civil, productive even. Now the BRC thread is a different story.

 

[wind gypsy]

I think We both agree that not many Athenians felt that their disruptions were worth losing to Sparta (then Thebes, then Macedon, then Rome, etc. it’s pretty much been downhill for the Greeks ever since)

And then even Triumph the insult comic dog went in on them! (starts at 2:55)

 

[Mudd Foot]

And then even Trial the insult comic dog went in on them! (starts at 2:55)

“What diner do you work at? You invented the alphabet and gave us great words like unibrow.”

Perfect!


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[Praxeus]

Time to lock this topic. They never fail to get way off topic.

Why? Just because the conversation makes you uncomfortable. If you dont like it....go somewhere else.

This is a microcosm of where this entire nation is. Like Aaron said....there's the ******** door

 

[GSPHUNTER]

Why? Just because the conversation makes you uncomfortable. If you dont like it....go somewhere else.

This is a microcosm of where this entire nation is. Like Aaron said....there's the ******** door

The LIKE icon needs a middle finger option.

 

[String&stick]

Why? Just because the conversation makes you uncomfortable. If you dont like it....go somewhere else.

This is a microcosm of where this entire nation is. Like Aaron said....there's the ******** door

I'll see your "******* door" and raise you two costco chicken barns and one Robert e Lee statue. . .

No locked threads today!

(Meanwhile Mods at their computer: "oh there will certainly be a locked threads today")

 

[Poser]

Just saw this:

TN Capitol Building removes Nathan Bedford Forrest bust: https://apple.news/A_8O0dimNRPyHF1hDnCt20A


Controversy aside, NBF does appear to have been a very interesting figure in history. Rommel studied his battlefield tactics and based the “Blitzkreig” concept on them. There is a book on this called “Rommel & The Rebel” -he apparently visited the US in the late 30s and retraced all of NBF’s battles, even met William Faulkner in the process.

I used to hunt a 1000 acre farm in TN positioned on some MS River bluffs. During the civil war, a fort was built on the property which hosted a famous NBF battle “battle of fort pillow”, where NBF’s men were accused of massacring surrendering Union soldiers, though records seem to indicate that they did in fact take prisoners and even released the wounded, some of whom were black, but that’s a matter of controversy.

Anyway, after the war, the feds gave the seized land to the state, who turned the fort into a state park and built a prison on the other end, reducing what was once a sprawling 50,000 acre estate to a 1,000 acres. The family is still bitter about this seizure to this day as they never gave permission for a fort to be built on their property. The prison was a self functioning farm for decades with the prisoners growing their own food and raising livestock. The ACLU put an end to that so most of the prison farmland is now leased for sod farming. All that being said, 1,000 acres positioned between a state park and a expansive prison sod farm, neither of which allow hunting, was in fact prime deer hunting. Historical, too.

 

[isItFallYet]

Also, Sparta itself was soon thereafter crushed by the more liberal Thebans and their all-gay shock troops known as the Sacred Band (No Joke) because the Spartans were too conservative and had failed to adapt their military tactics in response to Theban doctrine.

I thought it was because King Leonidas (Gerard Butler) died.

 

[Mudd Foot]

“Precisely because of this didactic nature of Thucydides’ lengthy narrative—predicated on the belief that human nature is unchanging across time and space and thus predictable—the conflict of Athens and Sparta is supposed to serve as a lesson for what can happen to any people in any war in any age. A central theme is the use and abuse of power, and how it lurks behind men’s professions of idealism and purported ideology. What men say, the speeches diplomats give, the reasons states go to war, all this “in word” (logos) is as “likely to cloak rather than to elucidate what they will do “in deed” (ergon). Thucydides teaches us to embrace skepticism, expecting us to look to national self-interest, not publicized grievances, when wars of our own age inevitably break out.”


Excerpt From
A War Like No Other
Victor Davis Hanson

‎A War Like No Other

‎History · 2005

books.apple.com

This material may be protected by copyright.


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[Newtosavage]

Impossible. It will never be great for all Americans. We all have the same opportunity but not everyone is willing to get off their ass and make life great for themselves. It sounds like you are waiting for AOC and Bernie to step in with their socialism communist bullshiz and make life equitable for everyone. Just look at the shitstorm that is every liberal city. I guess that when the entire country is like that it will be great for everyone?

by your own definition, there is no such thing as a "liberal city." Nice try tho

 

[Spike elk]

by your own definition, there is no such thing as a "liberal city." Nice try tho

If that is your take away there is no point having a conversation with you.

 

[gelton]

For the most part, without liberals we (the West) wouldn’t have literature, Art, music, architecture, etc. Am thinking most of us here are centrists that lean a little bit more in one direction of the other. That’s a good, if not great thing. Leftists (and you can include alt-right societies as well), and a move beyond a balanced, centered checks-and -balances approach is what I was arguing against above.


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The problem here is the definition. Today's "liberals" are anything but. When words have no meaning we are doomed.

Edit - to me, liberal philosophy means the absence of force or coercion - apply that through the lens of today's "liberals" and reply back to let us know who, in today's democratic party meets those standards. They had one that was close in Tulsi Gabbards but we all saw what happened to her.

 

[gelton]

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We are all here for the counterarguments but we often find them lacking.

The liberals of yesteryear - F##k you I won't do what you tell me...

The current "liberals" - F##k you, you better do what they told ya....