Alaska Sheep, 19C Working Group

[LivinGood]

Proposal 101 by ADF&G for the upcoming statewide BOG meeting is getting sheep added to the IM species list. Lets hope the BOG approves it to get that ball rolling.

 

[Liv2HntBigBullz]

Hate to be blunt and likely unpopular opinion here but look at Colorado OTC elk, terrible idea and no doubt sheep are more delicate. Why Alaska hasn't gone to straight draw across the state with resident/non resident allocation is beyond me.

It was mentioned before but the efficiency of the 20th century hunter cannot be ignored. Resources to fly units, glassing and identification miles away and legitimate ability to shoot north of 500 yds makes the success rates unsustainable for "hunt every year" opportunity. Could you imagine the same principle applied to antelope hunting in Wyoming and the state being 90% public land? There is a reason the mathematical odds of a nonresident drawing a desert sheep tag in AZ is better than that of drawing a nonresident rifle buck antelope tag...

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[WalterH]

Hate to be blunt and likely unpopular opinion here but look at Colorado OTC elk, terrible idea and no doubt sheep are more delicate. Why Alaska hasn't gone to straight draw across the state with resident/non resident allocation is beyond me.

It was mentioned before but the efficiency of the 20th century hunter cannot be ignored. Resources to fly units, glassing and identification miles away and legitimate ability to shoot north of 500 yds makes the success rates unsustainable for "hunt every year" opportunity. Could you imagine the same principle applied to antelope hunting in Wyoming and the state being 90% public land? There is a reason the mathematical odds of a nonresident drawing a desert sheep tag in AZ is better than that of drawing a nonresident rifle buck antelope tag...

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Based on the best available science, harvest is not the problem.

To have constructive conversations we first need to define the problem(s).

If harvest isn't the problem, solutions limiting harvest make no sense.

If one of the problems identified is overcrowding and too much competition for too few animals, aka people problems, then solutions aimed at spreading people out and dividing opportunity in some sort of equitable manner make more sense.

 

[Bambistew]

While I am also not the biggest proponent of the W$F and I am not a member of them, I can at least give one example of their usefullness. They almost completely funded ADFG's sheep survey in the 16B Alaska range in 2022. Would not have happened without their $.

Besides that, I agree with every other one of your points.

I've always been under the impression that ADFG had all the funding they wanted due to PR fund match. They leave money on the table most years.

A population survey isn't real cutting edge stuff, its basic maintenance. Many areas aren't surveyed on an annual basis, some areas haven't been surveyed in many, many years. My understanding was the reason the survey was done, was to determine if they needed to close 16 along with 19... so a favorable count kept it open and the guides from 19 could bail into 16 and save their season, which a number of them did.

Don't kid yourself, that population survey wasn't for the benefit of the sheep. It resulted in more of them being converted into conservation $$$.

That survey resulted in a net negative benefit to the sheep, because more ended up dead. Pretty common theme of W$F.

 

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[FAAFO]

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