Advancements in the last 11 years?

[rye_a]

I’ve been shooting an Elite Energy 35 since 2014, and am considering looking at newer bows. I like long axle to axle bows because I am 6’4”, but as I look at the newer offerings I don’t see that there have been significant (any?) increases in IBO speeds or reductions in weight. Have there been any other advancements in bows in the last decade that I should be aware of?

 

[Bump79]

It's been mostly noise and vibe reduction. Plus tuning tech and integrated mounting systems. I'd say they are a little smoother at the same speeds.

In my opinion the best changes have been in sights.

Go shoot some and find out!

 

[EvanG17]

Iv got a Mathews halon and cannot muster the courage to buy a new bow. Would love a new model but just can’t find the justice to do so. Everything including ibo, sound, and vibration have changed very little

 

[dkime]

I’ve been shooting an Elite Energy 35 since 2014, and am considering looking at newer bows. I like long axle to axle bows because I am 6’4”, but as I look at the newer offerings I don’t see that there have been significant (any?) increases in IBO speeds or reductions in weight. Have there been any other advancements in bows in the last decade that I should be aware of?

E35 was a fantastic bow as long as you could get it to tune. If you have that bow tuned you won’t notice hardly any difference. Sure, maybe a little realized speed difference but the biggest difference In that bow as compared to anything new is just the ability to tune it. I loved my E32,E35, and Impulses. If they were still in my hand today the number of animals on the wall would be no different.


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[Pramo]

No changes in speed and there really will never be since physics cannot change. The biggest improvement has been bow balance with inline sights and quivers

 

[Billy Goat]

Until they start to release new limb materials, the spec sheets won't change much. Cams are making all the speed they can with current materials.


The user experience is what is different. Feedback from the bow, the tuning, way things attach to the bow. No, the changes aren't drastic.

But driving a 30 year old vehicle in a lot of ways isn't too much different. But having a climate system that's part of the vehicle, butt heaters and chillers, navigation and Bluetooth, kinda changes it. Tho I'm still driving down the road at 9 mph over the speed limit getting about the same mpg's.

 

[blackveltbowhunter]

I guess, im the outlier. The energy 35 is a great shooting bow. I wish I had bought one when they were new. But the new stuff will tune many times easier and will likely see some speed gains. Worth the upgrade imo.

 

[big44a4]

Tuning technology for the DIY person now. Great to not have to rely on a shop when you need little tweaks.

 

[Bump79]

I guess, im the outlier. The energy 35 is a great shooting bow. I wish I had bought one when they were new. But the new stuff will tune many times easier and will likely see some speed gains. Worth the upgrade imo.

I agree. The thing is you can get a two year old bow and get most all the new tech. I think upgrading every 6 years or so makes sense. At some point you're putting $150+ strings on a $150 bow.

I personally shoot Prime because I want to hold onto them for 6 years. In 6 years I get three free sets of strings and cables. Then I hold onto it and have a backup bow that always gets free strings and cables.

I honestly don't know what they are going to do in the future though.. it's going to be really tough to get gains from here. I could be wrong though.

 

[Jbehredt]

I agree. The thing is you can get a two year old bow and get most all the new tech. I think upgrading every 6 years or so makes sense. At some point you're putting $150+ strings on a $150 bow.

I personally shoot Prime because I want to hold onto them for 6 years. In 6 years I get three free sets of strings and cables. Then I hold onto it and have a backup bow that always gets free strings and cables.

I honestly don't know what they are going to do in the future though.. it's going to be really tough to get gains from here. I could be wrong though.

Lay off engineers and hire more marketing folks I suppose. Quietest and most dead in the hand ain’t gonna cut it much longer.

I agree. The thing is you can get a two year old bow and get most all the new tech. I think upgrading every 6 years or so makes sense. At some point you're putting $150+ strings on a $150 bow.

I personally shoot Prime because I want to hold onto them for 6 years. In 6 years I get three free sets of strings and cables. Then I hold onto it and have a backup bow that always gets free strings and cables.

I honestly don't know what they are going to do in the future though.. it's going to be really tough to get gains from here. I could be wrong though.

 

[billysmals]

I agree with most people. Advancements in the areas of weight and ibo speed haven't changed much at all. I also shot the energy 35 for a time, and it was a good bow for sure. There were light bows back then, and there are light bows now. "NEW" stuff now in weight developments have gone into proprietary allow blends in the riser....Xpedition, Bowtech, Truth archery (maybe others) all have a bow with some blend of magnesium in the riser to reduce weight. Of course you are going to pay $1600 -2K for that.

Speed-no real change in my opinion for developments. Bows are faster now in general for sure, but there were fast bows back in the days of the E35.

Personally ,the tuning tech has been the real advantage and where I see the most innovation. Most bows now have some tuning tech either with limbs, cams, roller cable guards, and even timing adjustments. Now old bows you could tune some of this as well, but it was just more difficult. I like to tinker and tuning is much easier now...but you don't have to buy a "new" bow for this to a degree. I'm shooting a 5 year old bowtech (bowtech revolt x) that has deadlock tuning system that all their new bows have now. Of course the newst bows have even more tuning options, but you can go a couple years back and still get a variety of tuning tech...

 

[Long Cut]

I bought a 2013 Elite Pure and am selling my 2020 Elite Kure.

Those older solid limb Elites are significantly lighter, balance better and the grip feels better to me than the newer bows.

That 2013 Elite is 4.1# with a 36” ATA and 7” BH. That 2020 33” ATA bow weights 4.5# bare bow.

Why spend $1,200+ when some of these older bows are honestly better. Sure, they’re mod /DL specific but that’s a set and forget feature.

Some of the SET tuning stuff on the newer Elites makes tuning/setup easier, but my bow tech handles that for me and again, it’s a set & forget thing for me personally.

Everybody is different, but for me the older bows make more sense. The industry hasn’t advanced enough to warrant the price tag associated with it.

 

[Marshfly]

I think the sound is probably the biggest thing I notice. My V3X is significantly quieter than any Hoyt I shoot next to at the range. My son's Phase 4 is noticeably quieter than my VX3. That and weight. The Lift is significantly lighter than my V3X.

 

[NMJM]

The marketing is much better now. It is really hard to get a person to buy a new bow well over $1000 when they get about the same performance out of a bow 10 years old.

 

[fatlander]

I’ll start with this, the e35 is one of the best bows ever made.

In the last 10 years, performance hasn’t really changed. I will say that I think fastish (true 330-340 ibo) bows are easier to shoot well now than they were 10 years ago. Dynamic brace height that can be attributed to past parallel limbs is probably the biggest factor there.

The only real advancements that I think are worth a little more coin is tuning capability of newer bows. The shimming and tuning systems of the last handful of years are much better than the 5+ year old bows. Integrated accessories are meh. Sure it’s a little more streamlined and a little lighter, but there’s no substitute for a back bar if you really want that effect.

The new truth MG series of bows is going to drive a lot of change in archery IF they can stay in business long enough. From all accounts I’m seeing from very trusted sources, their bows are legit. They’re lighter than anything on the market, just as fast, easy to tune, forgiving to horizontal nock travel, and they’re cheaper than comparable ultra light options.


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[rye_a]

The marketing is much better now. It is really hard to get a person to buy a new bow well over $1000 when they get about the same performance out of a bow 10 years old.

I’m starting to feel this way. I went to the shop yesterday and shot Hoyt, Darton, Prime, and Mathew’s bows. While I was very impressed by the Mathew’s Lift X33, I have a hard time justifying paying ~$2,300 for a new setup that tunes more easily when I have my E35 (that could use new strings) that I know I can shoot well. Still tempted though…