A hard lesson to learn on shot placement and waiting.

mtnkid85

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Well it happened to me and I feel sick.

Had a great morning three different call ins brought bulls in to 20 yards, 15 yards and then finally got a good mature bull to go through my shooting lane at ~35 yards. I think perfectly broadside front leg straight down (not really forward or back) looking in my direction.

I run a 3 pin sight with pins at 25,35,45. I put my middle pin right on him, I remember leveling my sight and thinking about my anchor. Release the shot and immediately thought I made a great shot. I didn't see the arrow impact, as he whirled I saw my arrow fall out the other side, full pass though. I shot at 10am.

He was with another bull and they took off through the timber together.

Before going to get my arrow I sat down and waited 25min, then went over to my arrow and waited another 10min.

The arrow has fat along the entire shaft, bright red blood along entire shaft and what I thought where maybe some bubbles in the blood on the fletching.

I begin slowly blood trailing him, its steady but not heavy. Pea to ~quarter sized blood droplets coming out both sides. No bubbles in droplets.
Im moving very slowly and quietly, eventually I step on a stick that cracks and I hear elk moving off in front of me. I immediately stop and back directly out. This happens at 11:30, a hour and a half after the shot. Looking at onxmaps we had only covered 300 yards.

At this point Ive backed out and left the area, went and got my brother to help track. We return back to blood trail 3hrs later, 4.5 hours after I initially shot him. Sure enough I had bumped him out of his bed 20 yards ahead of where I backed out from.

There was definitely blood in his bed but I was underwhelmed by the amount. After he left his bed we where not able to find another drop of blood and only the slightest tracks to go off of. My brother and I then proceeded to grid search a large area above and along the same elevation he was at. Never found a thing.

After a day of contemplation Im questioning my shot location and wonder if I hit him in the void or "no mans land" above the vitals? I had ranged the tree he was in front of at 35yards so he was probably 33-34yards. My sight picture was maybe in the upper half of the lungs when I realeased. I was also shooting though a window in the trees that I think caused me to hold back from his front shoulder slightly. So maybe slightly back and slightly high...

So if anyone has any input to help me learn from this experience Im all ears. Should I have waited longer? How would you interpret the bloody arrow with fat on it? I can't help but wonder if I gave him more time would he have died in that bed. After I bumped him should I have tried to stay with him instead of backing out?

Ive got to work today and tomorrow, then Im headed back in there to search more. But I feel like shit. This is my first archery bull.

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One-shot

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Aw geez, that experience sucks. Hind sight and speculation on what if scenarios are always so clear but when the adrenaline in pumping and we feel urgency in getting our harvest out as humanely, cleanly, and efficiently as possible sometimes situtational clarity is lost. I don't know how many bow hunters share similar stories with me. Two weeks ago a Mule deer archer had a very similar experience as you - arrow went right through, trace tissues and blood on shaft etc, but buck disappeared.
My "advice" is rifle hunt for quick, clean, humane kills - odds of searching for a wounded animal are lessened as hydrostatic shock accounts for a lot more than most hunters want to admit. So sorry for that experience, as often bulls opportunities are so limited. Best of luck finding him in the coming days.
 

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No way to know unless you find him. Based on the description you didn't hit him well.

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Well it happened to me and I feel sick.

Had a great morning three different call ins brought bulls in to 20 yards, 15 yards and then finally got a good mature bull to go through my shooting lane at ~35 yards. I think perfectly broadside front leg straight down (not really forward or back) looking in my direction.

I run a 3 pin sight with pins at 25,35,45. I put my middle pin right on him, I remember leveling my sight and thinking about my anchor. Release the shot and immediately thought I made a great shot. I didn't see the arrow impact, as he whirled I saw my arrow fall out the other side, full pass though. I shot at 10am.

He was with another bull and they took off through the timber together.

Before going to get my arrow I sat down and waited 25min, then went over to my arrow and waited another 10min.

The arrow has fat along the entire shaft, bright red blood along entire shaft and what I thought where maybe some bubbles in the blood on the fletching.

I begin slowly blood trailing him, its steady but not heavy. Pea to ~quarter sized blood droplets coming out both sides. No bubbles in droplets.
Im moving very slowly and quietly, eventually I step on a stick that cracks and I hear elk moving off in front of me. I immediately stop and back directly out. This happens at 11:30, a hour and a half after the shot. Looking at onxmaps we had only covered 300 yards.

At this point Ive backed out and left the area, went and got my brother to help track. We return back to blood trail 3hrs later, 4.5 hours after I initially shot him. Sure enough I had bumped him out of his bed 20 yards ahead of where I backed out from.

There was definitely blood in his bed but I was underwhelmed by the amount. After he left his bed we where not able to find another drop of blood and only the slightest tracks to go off of. My brother and I then proceeded to grid search a large area above and along the same elevation he was at. Never found a thing.

After a day of contemplation Im questioning my shot location and wonder if I hit him in the void or "no mans land" above the vitals? I had ranged the tree he was in front of at 35yards so he was probably 33-34yards. My sight picture was maybe in the upper half of the lungs when I realeased. I was also shooting though a window in the trees that I think caused me to hold back from his front shoulder slightly. So maybe slightly back and slightly high...

So if anyone has any input to help me learn from this experience Im all ears. Should I have waited longer? How would you interpret the bloody arrow with fat on it? I can't help but wonder if I gave him more time would he have died in that bed. After I bumped him should I have tried to stay with him instead of backing out?

Ive got to work today and tomorrow, then Im headed back in there to search more. But I feel like shit. This is my first archery bull.

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Sounds like a lot of negative variables came into play on that shot. Hope you guys find him.
 

Alpineelk

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Sorry to here. I can share ur pain 3 released arrows on bulls over the last 3 years and still looking to take my first with a bow I hit one a little high and forward thought it was a good shot found lots of blood right off and arrow had lots on it but the blood eventually ran out. Couple months later one of my buddies saw it still alive
 
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You didn't do anything wrong; sometimes things just don't work out. Broadside at 35 yds through a clear window is a shot just about any bowhunter would take. Waiting longer to start tracking might have helped (or it might have made no difference, who knows?), but I can't fault you for starting to trail him after a half hour, especially when you had a full pass through and what looked like good initial blood. Don't beat yourself up too badly (easier said than done, I know). In the words of the late great philosopher Chris LeDoux: Cowboy up, dust yourself off, get back in the saddle, give it one more try.
 

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The arrow looks like it went through backstrap (or something else that was meat and not vitals). If so, good chance he'll survive. If the blood stopped after he bedded down, waiting longer to trail him probably wouldn't have made any difference.

It happens. The only way to keep it from ever happening to you is to never bow hunt. Keep after 'em!
 

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I agree with shane probably a high hit and waiting longer prob wouldnt have helped. Guess in hindsight didnt see the hit and that much fat on the arrow likely high or low waiting a little longer would have prob been a good idea. Doubt I would have waited any longer either though. Good luck sounds like you are in the action!
 
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Well thanks for the input guys. Of course it doesn't make me fill any better, but I appreciate it anyways.
It is all just guessing now, unless I can find him to examine. But I just don't feel like my sight picture was that high when I released. I wonder if my arrow *Just Barely* touched the branch at the top of the window I shot through causing it to pitch up a little?

Im going to go back in, climb up the other side of the drainage with my spotting scope, sit and glass back across to see If I can pickup any birds or bears over on his side of the drainage. Ill be sure to update if I can locate anything.
 

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It sucks, been there before. From my experience the fat on the arrow is never a good thing
 

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I’ve never seen an arrow with that much fat and tissue on it. Not sure where you could have hit on the vitals that would leave you arrow looking like that. I would almost say it looks like a gut shot of some sort. I’ve seen large clumps of fat in an around the organs sometimes.
 

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Brisket shots will look like that. The blood trail will Peter out too in short order on Bristet hit.
 

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Brisket shots will look like that. The blood trail will Peter out too in short order on Bristet hit.
Never seen fat like that on a brisket shot. Normally the arrow looks cleanly bloody, although the blood trail he describes sounds like a muscle hit that is dripping. Maybe a really really low brisket shot that hits the subcutaneous fat layer and doesn’t hit the meat? I would expect to see more hair with one of those shots.
 

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Been in your shoes before and know the feeling. It happened to the best of us at some point or another. Almost sounds like it went through a non vital area. Animals are tough and I've seen some whitetail deer heal through some terrible shots and bounce back. No reason an elk wouldn't do the same. Keep at it

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MTNMAN5C

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That's tough man, I have been in your shoes. I'll echo that I don't think you did anything wrong, there is quite a bit of blood on your arrow and found good blood right away. The fat on the arrow has me a little puzzled. I once hit a big bull through the back strap and it bled like crazy for probably 600 yards...but, he never bedded down. Followed blood and tracks for probably a mile and he never slowed down. So, in my experience, he didn't bed down from a back strap hit. Again, the fat has me puzzled. Until you find him it's hard to say. Good luck!
 

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How sure are you he was broadside? I’ve seen guys think the bull is broadside when in fact they are quartering to. A hit that is back and high, on a quartering to animal is what this sounds like. Maybe the back of one lung hit and if lucky/unllucky liver? Long slow time to die if you hit liver or gut. Single lung he lives. The fact he bedded quickly tells me he is sick, so liver or gut likely. Awful feeling, I’ve been there as have most of us. Birds will tell the story
 
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I’m 98% sure he was broadside, definitely not quartering to. If anything maybe a very slight quartering away.

The fat on the arrow really has me scratching my head too.
 

Shane

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Well thanks for the input guys. Of course it doesn't make me fill any better, but I appreciate it anyways.
It is all just guessing now, unless I can find him to examine. But I just don't feel like my sight picture was that high when I released. I wonder if my arrow *Just Barely* touched the branch at the top of the window I shot through causing it to pitch up a little?

Im going to go back in, climb up the other side of the drainage with my spotting scope, sit and glass back across to see If I can pickup any birds or bears over on his side of the drainage. Ill be sure to update if I can locate anything.

Your sight picture may not have been high, and your shot may not have been high. He might have ducked enough to make the actual hit high though.
 

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If he bedded down within 300 yards I’m going with a fatal hit - hope you find him


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