9mm Buffalo Bore 147gr +p vs G9 124gr +p woodsmen for Predator defense?

[BLJ]

That’s probably what will happen.

 

[RockAndSage]

Comparing a flat nose and standard FMJ of the same weight, the standard FMJ will likely penetrate further. Regarding damage overall, it will likely be less.

Flat points, especially with a wider meplat of around 60% of caliber, penetrate further and straighter - round-nose tend to yaw and not go as deep.

 

[AgentO]

Flat points, especially with a wider meplat of around 60% of caliber, penetrate further and straighter - round-nose tend to yaw and not go as deep.

Yes, you're correct. I should have proof read what I wrote. They tend to carry much better aerodynamics as well.

Thank you for the correction.

 

[BLJ]

https://www.basspro.com/p/federal-american-eagle-9mm-luger-147-grain-fmj-centerfire-handgun-ammo

Maybe something like this could be a middle ground for penetration, recoil and price?
Practice with the same bullet you carry.
If they function well in your pistol of choice.

 

[Thegman]

Wonder if there is a significant difference in penetration between the 115 class and the 147?
And if there is, does the increased penetration of the heavier bullet justify the greater recoil and getting back in target for more shots?

Is the recoil of the 147’s substantially more than the 115’s? No experience with them.

In what I've seen from how various 9mm FP bullets penetrate, I've come to the conclusion that we're probably splitting hairs in differentiating between them.

That's comparing various 147 hardcast bullets, 147 FMJ FP and the 160 WFN hardcast I load. The latter is likely "the best", but I think differences are pretty small in the end. The best functioning/shooting load is likely more important to focus on than the smaller differences between their performance. The cheap Federal 147 FMJ FP is probably very close to all the others in performance and is very reliable.

Even the 115 grain Winchester M1152 seem to keep up with the 147s in penetration. I wouldn't worry about carrying those either; cheap and reliable. On impact, the bullet becomes a concave FP kind of like the Hornady DGH bullets and seems to penetrate really well.

Bottom line, I think we (definitely including me) can over think some of this.

 

[BLJ]

I agree.
I could be second in command of the other thinkers club.

I think for now I’m going with a 115 FMJ FP if I find they are 100% reliable in my pistol.

Same ammo for practice and carry. And about the cheapest.

Oddly enough I was looking at the Winchester 115’s you posted.

 

[Thegman]

https://www.basspro.com/p/federal-american-eagle-9mm-luger-147-grain-fmj-centerfire-handgun-ammo

Maybe something like this could be a middle ground for penetration, recoil and price?
Practice with the same bullet you carry.
If they function well in your pistol of choice.

Missed this, but these are the cheap Federal I'm talking about; they penetrate really well and function very reliably. I recently bought a box at Cabela's at that price, should have bought 10 boxes at that price. Will do the next time I see them at this price.

At this point, if I'm buying factory loads for bear defense / practice ammo, it's these Federal or the Winchester M1152.

 

[BLJ]

I’m assuming “115 Winchester M1152” and “Service Grade” the same thing?

 

[Thegman]

I’m assuming “115 Winchester M1152” and “Service Grade” the same thing?

Yes. Same bullet, same velocity. Most have sealed primers and sealed case mouth. Look like Mil-Surplus M1152.

These are another option, if you find them, but I think they're prettier and more expensive.

Winchester Is Now Selling Ammo Developed for Army's MHS to Consumers

The company announced the launch of its "Active Duty" 9mm training round line Monday.

www.military.com

I don't think I've seen these around here in AK, but can find the others pretty easily and pretty cheaply.

 

[BLJ]

Thanks.

I found some marked service grade for $12/50.
I wanted to make sure it was the same stuff.

 

[RockAndSage]

In what I've seen from how various 9mm FP bullets penetrate, I've come to the conclusion that we're probably splitting hairs in differentiating between them.

That's comparing various 147 hardcast bullets, 147 FMJ FP and the 160 WFN hardcast I load. The latter is likely "the best", but I think differences are pretty small in the end. The best functioning/shooting load is likely more important to focus on than the smaller differences between their performance. The cheap Federal 147 FMJ FP is probably very close to all the others in performance and is very reliable.

Even the 115 grain Winchester M1152 seem to keep up with the 147s in penetration. I wouldn't worry about carrying those either; cheap and reliable. On impact, the bullet becomes a concave FP kind of like the Hornady DGH bullets and seems to penetrate really well.
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Bottom line, I think we (definitely including me) can over think some of this.

Got a link for those 160gr WFNs?

 

[Smoke_Rutz]

You expecting by griz bears?


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[Thegman]

Got a link for those 160gr WFNs?

160 Grain Round Flat (.359)-359-160-RF

www.mattsbullets.com

You can order them in the 18 Brinell alloy, sized however you want, and coated if you want.

 

[RockAndSage]

160 Grain Round Flat (.359)-359-160-RF

www.mattsbullets.com

You can order them in the 18 Brinell alloy, sized however you want, and coated if you want.

That sounds fantastic to have those options, thanks for the tip.

 

[Hardly_Hangin]

Carry and shoot 365 XL with Buffalo Bore 147 grain Outdoorsmen Hard Cast. Nice carry weight and it likes the load.

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