$81.75

[jm1607]

Rather than blame WY for point creep, I'd blame social media, the insta-bros, and the fitness hunter for point creep. Making a Western hunt cool and sexy has caused more people to take the plunge into "heading west for the first time"

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I agree with this, but I don't think CO & WY have the worst creep because of their location. I think CO gets pounded OTC because of it's location, but having a pure PP system is why it takes double the points it does for other states to hunt similar trophy animals.

 

[Fatcamp]

Yes, everyone has the same chance in the random draw for all species. Very cool if you just start putting in. A kick in the teeth for everyone else that has been putting in for a long time and invested quite a bit of money.

I completely blame WY for point creep. Who else would I blame? How is the system not related? Every state is getting a little tougher to draw no doubt, but no reason to make it worse! AZ doesn't seem to have hardly any creep. UT doesn't have much creep.. bad odds but not much creep. CO and WY stand alone with awful creep because of their pure PP systems which are completely broken. It's only a matter of time until both states have to make major changes besides just overcharging people. The problem is it maybe 10 years till these states get their heads out of their asses.

So you must really hate New Mexico. I've never applied and we are gonna have the same odds when I do.

All the states are experiencing increasing use and lower odds. It's just how it is. I think Colorado and Wyoming are getting more attention due to massive amounts of public land, great opportunities to actually find game, and reasonable systems for both point and OTC tags. I KNOW location is a big part of it too. It is commented on regularly on forums as a reason people give for their interest, as it is for me.

 

[cnelk]

Since I like to participate in many Colorado outdoors activities - fishing, small game hunting, big game hunting, I just did my 2019 licensing and applications - cost me $98.50.

 

[sndmn11]

To be fair, a lot of stuff stayed the same or barely moved the needle at all. A non-resident deer tag goes up $0.75 for example. However if I've got a bank of points that I've accumulated for sheep, moose, etc. and now I have to pay $100/year/species to keep those points? That sucks.
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You can apply and choose to opt out of the preference point fee if you wish. You also do not lose your points if you choose not to apply for that species.

 

[CX5Ranch]

So I rethunk my scenario. I think I'm just gonna burn my 5 points next year in CO. Is that even gonna be worth doing? I dont think I'm willing to pay for and or wait for a 20 some point tag. I enjoy OTC hunting just fine anyway.

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[Foldem]

Nope not worth it, no good units under 20 pts nothing to see here, move along please

 

[Art Vandeley]

Just waste the points you have, it will save you money.

 

[Newtosavage]

And if I remember right, it was explained to you in that thread that more people are likely to want a small game license to hunt grouse while chasing elk, deer, etc. than they are to want a bear tag...not to mention the bear tag is more expensive. Just because it isn't useful to you doesn't mean it's not the best option for most people. And it does sound like nothing but whining...CO brings its regs more in line with other Western states and guys lose their minds.

Meanwhile CO provides more opportunity than just about any other state for NR. Take Elk for example, 26% of the draw went to NR last year. You're welcome to apply to another state where they'll charge you for a hunting license and only let you have 10% of the draw tags.

Another resident commenting on NR fees...

Do you realize how it looks when people who the change does not affect, continue to tell the people who are affected, to stop complaining? LOL

 

[Newtosavage]

^^^^^ BOOM!^^^^^

We keep hearing about the decline in hunter numbers and the voice of hunters growing quieter, and yet we complain when more people go afield.

I guess everyone has something to whine about.

 

[204guy]

I said the exact same thing a few weeks ago. Then I was told by several residents I was whining. LOL

I don't mind paying for things I use. Not at all. Bear tag would have been a great way to go - esp. since it seems they are trying to encourage people to hunt bears.

Elk tag, bear tag what's the difference in a pot of tag soup. Maybe with the small game license you'll have something other than memories to show for the time you spend in CO. Quit trying to pick a fight with well LIKED and respected members here. Post less, learn more.

 

[Ratbeetle]

+1

Do you realize how it looks when people who the change does not affect, continue to tell the people who are affected, to stop complaining? LOL

My comment was in response to the OP regarding a regulation that only affects NR's. You can just keep on scrollin'

Well since residents are required to purchase a qualifying license as well...and a bear tag doesn't count for us either, I'd say that reg affects us too.

You do realize how that looks when NRs complain like it's all about them right?

 

[Newtosavage]

Elk tag, bear tag what's the difference in a pot of tag soup. Maybe with the small game license you'll have something other than memories to show for the time you spend in CO.

That's funny you keep going back to that, as if filling a tag is all that matters. Every state agency that issues tags will tell you that you're paying for the opportunity to hunt, not for the price of the animal. Are you suggesting that only people who kill something have the right to an opnion about fee hikes? That's bizarre logic.

Not trying to pick fights. The OP simply shared a very common frustration for NR's who hunt CO. I've seen at least five threads that were started just about this one requirement and I'm sure the phones at CPW have been slammed too. Let a guy vent already. I've seen plenty of well "Liked" members vent plenty about how many hunters they are seeing in the woods these days. That gets pretty old too.

 

[sndmn11]

Maybe there should be a stickied thread for each state and province that non-residents can go to complain about non-resident costs. I know I only get resident tags in one state and I choose to stay home to hunt.

 

[cnelk]

Did 'Newtosavage' move to Idaho from Texas recently?

 

[ChrisS]

Rather than blame WY for point creep, I'd blame social media, the insta-bros, and the fitness hunter for point creep. Making a Western hunt cool and sexy has caused more people to take the plunge into "heading west for the first time"

Western hunts were always cool and sexy. Social media and the internet just made the DIY version 100 times more approachable for someone who doesn't have $6k to drop on an outfitter for five days.

 

[Ratbeetle]

Did 'Newtosavage' move to Idaho from Texas recently?



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I noticed that too. Guess he won't need to worry about the CO changes anymore. Plenty of bears to hunt in ID.

 

[realunlucky]

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[dr.mooseknuckles]

I just happily paid for my NR small animal tag so that I could purchase points. I think it's a great investment in the funding for habitat, wildlife, and paying the conservation officers their salary. In the future, this will potentially help me get a better chance at a super nice bull in the future. For what it's worth, I know that nice bulls can be found in OTC units, as I killed one this year. I was incredibly lucky, but worked my ass off for it. I'll post the full story next week, as my Euro is supposed to arrive then.

I can share in the NR ire that resident fees haven't changed much. The flip side to that is that I don't pay taxes there. I think it all is a wash/moot point. If you can't afford to buy the Small Game tag just to buy points, then don't. That'll help with the point creep that's being bitched about.

Or as Mr. French said in the Scorsese Classic "The Departed": " This is America: if you don't make money you're a f-ing douchebag".

 

[jm1607]

So you must really hate New Mexico. I've never applied and we are gonna have the same odds when I do.

All the states are experiencing increasing use and lower odds. It's just how it is. I think Colorado and Wyoming are getting more attention due to massive amounts of public land, great opportunities to actually find game, and reasonable systems for both point and OTC tags. I KNOW location is a big part of it too. It is commented on regularly on forums as a reason people give for their interest, as it is for me.

New Mexico is my favorite state. Best odds to do some real Elk hunting in the lower 48. WY is completely different. They give out 25% to the random draw, not 100%. Most the tags get skimmed off by the top point holders which, like CO, goes to basically max point holders for all the best units because WY/CO has the worst point creep. If NM had the same system as WY, NRs without max points couldn't even apply to half the Gila. Can you imagine the backlash/outrage if that happened? WY should adopt AZs system of a hybrid draw so your points aren't just preference but also bonus. You want to reward everybody, not just max point holders and new applyers. Most people are stuck in the middle in WY and have no idea what to do, because there isn't anything to do. You either burn your points on a sub-par hunt or just buy points and think "I'll figure it out later". But later never comes because WY has the worst creep of any western state. WY suuuuuccccks.....

 

[Ratbeetle]

I just happily paid for my NR small animal tag so that I could purchase points. I think it's a great investment in the funding for habitat, wildlife, and paying the conservation officers their salary. In the future, this will potentially help me get a better chance at a super nice bull in the future. For what it's worth, I know that nice bulls can be found in OTC units, as I killed one this year. I was incredibly lucky, but worked my ass off for it. I'll post the full story next week, as my Euro is supposed to arrive then.

I can share in the NR ire that resident fees haven't changed much. The flip side to that is that I don't pay taxes there. I think it all is a wash/moot point. If you can't afford to buy the Small Game tag just to buy points, then don't. That'll help with the point creep that's being bitched about.

Or as Mr. French said in the Scorsese Classic "The Departed": " This is America: if you don't make money you're a f-ing douchebag".

Not a particular jab at you, just an FYI. Aside from desert bighorn, it looks like CO hit the residents much harder than the NR with these 2019 changes. Obviously the total dollar amount is still higher for NR but I challenge anyone to show me a state that doesn't operate that way...western or otherwise.

CO resident tag fees 2018 to 2019:
Deer increase of 28%
Elk increase of 19%
Pronghorn increase of 28%
Bear increase of 21%
Mountain Lion increase of 21%
Moose increase of 20%
Mountain Goat increase of 20%
All Sheep increase of 20%

CO NR tag fees 2018 to 2019:
Deer increase of 75 cents
Elk increase of 75 cents
Pronghorn increase of 75 cents
Bear DECREASE of $249.75!! (71%)
Mountain Lion increase of 75 cents
Moose increase of 75 cents
Mountain Goat increase of 75 cents
Desert Bighorn increase of 50%
RM Bighorn increase of 75 cents