7 Broke Backcountry Reloading Vid

[Elkslut]

I also was unimpressed with the video. The 12 passes bit was from Jake talking to RCBS directly, he said it on S2H podcast.
Put all the reloading bit aside and assume people just shoot factory ammo. I agree it will fail/ flop soon unless they can pull off Hornady status overnight. The shelves at any 'outdoors stores' within 3 hours of me have vary little federal anything, what they do have is Hornady ammo and components. How long has their terminal ascent bullets been out? I have never seen it on a shelf, I look I reload I probably would have tried it in something. Time will answer the questions.
Just my 2 cents on the topic

 

[z987k]

I also was unimpressed with the video. The 12 passes bit was from Jake talking to RCBS directly, he said it on S2H podcast.
Put all the reloading bit aside and assume people just shoot factory ammo. I agree it will fail/ flop soon unless they can pull off Hornady status overnight. The shelves at any 'outdoors stores' within 3 hours of me have vary little federal anything, what they do have is Hornady ammo and components. How long has their terminal ascent bullets been out? I have never seen it on a shelf, I look I reload I probably would have tried it in something. Time will answer the questions.
Just my 2 cents on the topic

It's rarely available as a component bullet on shelves but it's pretty common to see it in their factory stuff. You can order them online usually though.

 

[z987k]

Ok I watched the video. .284 170gn. bullet going 3015fps.. Thats what all the hype is about?
I'm confused. Why is the 7 Backcountry all the new rage? Was that a 18 inch barrel? That would be impressive.

From other data that's likely a 20in barrel for that velocity.

 

[TaperPin]

Watch the video. He says he uses a standard 210 primer.

I must have missed that.

 

[Fireflyfishing]

I must have missed that.

The problem is…you can’t find 210 primers easily…

 

[TaperPin]

The problem is…you can’t find 210 primers easily…

Yes.

So the guys who are loading Lapua cases to the point primers are pretty flat and even leaking around the edges a little and etching a circle on the bolt face, have already been shooting at these pressure levels.

 

[wapitibob]

The problem is…you can’t find 210 primers easily…

Took me less than 15 seconds.

 

[waspocrew]

Took me less than 15 seconds.

Same, found 5k at targetsportsusa (CCI 200). My local scheels has a ton too.

 

[69Firebird]

Anyone else catch the video Federal put out showing that their "alloy" case is reloadable? I think its all kinda BS and the video is missing many important details, all of which are the reasons people say its not reloadable. They also talk about the "premium" ammo cases are coated inside and out making them reloadable, but the cheaper stuff thats dull is only coated inside thus not recommended to be reloaded.

I dont know if they are thinking its a case stuck in die issue or what but they didnt show a single measurement of the case to show any sort of shoulder bump. I saw its taking 12 passes of a resizing die to get the case sized. This dude in a dorky lab coat does it in a single pass... no trimming or anything. just a video of the guy making a round with a sharpie mark on it and shooting it again.

Anyway, curious what the thoughts are of anyone who's seen it.

I had heard it was RCBS was having issues with resizing? The little guy in the vid made it look like no big deal.

 

[Harvey_NW]

I had heard it was RCBS was having issues with resizing? The little guy in the vid made it look like no big deal.

There was word that RCBS had to make 12 passes to properly size a case and ultimately stopped their production on the die. In the video he mentioned it was a prototype die, so it looks like they got something figured out.

 

[FritzHlzr]

This cartridge has been marketed to have the performance equivalent or better than some of the current cartridges with cult like followings, the PRC is first that comes to mind, with standard bolt face, large rifle case length, and subsequent recoil produced, all out of a barrel short enough to use a suppressor in a usable barrel length. Basically a cartridge the size of a 280ai with the performance of the biggest 7mm magnums definitely is a game changer imo. Wether this all plays out is yet to be seen but theres no skin off anyones back if it don't. I really am not very interested in this particular cartridge but this same technology carries over to a short action 7mm or .25 with ballistics comparable to 280ai or hot 25-06 and I'll be having some rifles rebarreled.

 

[180ls1]

i agree. i dont know how they are going to even keep up with demand honestly. They market the shit out of this round, get everyone all excited about it

This is good for business. Look at MKC.

and then they arent even going to be able to make enough ammo. guys cant reload their own.

Likely a temporary problem.

these rifles will be like every 6.8 Western rifle.. dying on the shelf.

The 6.8 didn't "die" from overwhelming demand and lack of ammo supply.

 

[NVUplandHunter]

This is good for business. Look at MKC.

Likely a temporary problem.

The 6.8 didn't "die" from overwhelming demand and lack of ammo supply.

I have looked at MKC and have since stopped because they dont have jack squat in stock every time ive looked and in my opinion they charge a lot of money for knife designs that already exist for the most part. and for me personally, the "drops" are that cool. And there are a bunch of people chambering for this round. its nothing like MKC.

Also comparing a single buy item like a knife to ammo supply isnt relatable. I am lucky enough to hop on a drop from MKC and i can hopefully use that knife for as long as i please. doing ammo drops like MKC drops knives isnt going to be successful.. and would incredibly dumb if you ask me. you gotta wait to get your ammo and hope you get in line fast enough? why would anyone want that. or if you're hoping for a rifle when there are plenty of them in chamberings that will work just as well? no thank you.

Likely a temporary problem.

Federal can hardly keep up with the demand they have no already. now they become the only people making a round that thousands will buy rifles for and think they can keep up? i guess time will tell.

The 6.8 didn't "die" from overwhelming demand and lack of ammo supply.

Please tell me why 6.8W died then?

 

[180ls1]

I have looked at MKC and have since stopped because they dont have jack squat in stock every time ive looked and in my opinion they charge a lot of money for knife designs that already exist for the most part. and for me personally, the "drops" are that cool. And there are a bunch of people chambering for this round. its nothing like MKC.

Also comparing a single buy item like a knife to ammo supply isnt relatable. I am lucky enough to hop on a drop from MKC and i can hopefully use that knife for as long as i please. doing ammo drops like MKC drops knives isnt going to be successful.. and would incredibly dumb if you ask me. you gotta wait to get your ammo and hope you get in line fast enough? why would anyone want that. or if you're hoping for a rifle when there are plenty of them in chamberings that will work just as well? no thank you.

You missed the point I was trying to make. I am not literally suggesting Federal does ammo drops.

I am speaking towards the marketing principals behind it. Limited supply, high demand (or the illusion of it), innovative or cutting edge product etc...

I think you would be surprised how many people bought PRC rifles the past few years even with no ammo availability.

Federal can hardly keep up with the demand they have no already. now they become the only people making a round that thousands will buy rifles for and think they can keep up? i guess time will tell.

That story is similar to the story of the PRC in recent years and the PRC going anywhere.

Please tell me why 6.8W died then?

It was late to the party as the PRC already established itself. The marketing also never took off. Its a very impressive round but most don't know it. Finally the .277 line could use better bullet selection. That's my.

 

[z987k]

You missed the point I was trying to make. I am not literally suggesting Federal does ammo drops.

I am speaking towards the marketing principals behind it. Limited supply, high demand (or the illusion of it), innovative or cutting edge product etc...

I think you would be surprised how many people bought PRC rifles the past few years even with no ammo availability.



That story is similar to the story of the PRC in recent years and the PRC going anywhere.



It was late to the party as the PRC already established itself. The marketing also never took off. Its a very impressive round but most don't know it. Finally the .277 line could use better bullet selection. That's my.

Ya. If the 6.8W was instead the 7mm western(basically a 7-6.5PRC), and was launched before the 7PRC, it might have done better. Basically a slightly updated 7SAUM, lol.

 

[NVUplandHunter]

You missed the point I was trying to make. I am not literally suggesting Federal does ammo drops.

I am speaking towards the marketing principals behind it. Limited supply, high demand (or the illusion of it), innovative or cutting edge product etc...

I think you would be surprised how many people bought PRC rifles the past few years even with no ammo availability.



That story is similar to the story of the PRC in recent years and the PRC going anywhere.



It was late to the party as the PRC already established itself. The marketing also never took off. Its a very impressive round but most don't know it. Finally the .277 line could use better bullet selection. That's my.

i guess i vary from most other people in that when im looking for a new rifle in a cartridge i dont own already i check to see what sort of ammo availability there is both in who makes it and how often its on the shelf.
I think in ammo availability, the high demand and limited supply isnt going to drive sales. its just like you're saying with the PRC line of cartridges. I dont own one because ammo is limited and im not trying to have a headache or make my wallet hurt any time i want to go shoot.

also part of my argument is that the 7PRC already came out and picked up popularity quickly. 7BC gets you not a whole lot more down range and for now, having to buy ammo. Ammo I'll add that is out of stock everywhere. I've seen some guys getting over 3K fps with 7prc from factory ammo. i guess what im getting at is that the vast majority of people arent skilled enough to take advantage of anything this offers. even if you chopped a 7prc down you're still not going to stretch the limits of the round. So with the difficulties of supply and demand, i think people are better off not on the bandwagon and finding something else. its basically a much higher pressure 280AI that i can also buy factory ammo for..

If Federal can keep up with demand and add some bullet choices to the line maybe they will be able to keep it going for the guys who has zero intentions of reloading.

 

[NVUplandHunter]

Ya. If the 6.8W was instead the 7mm western(basically a 7-6.5PRC), and was launched before the 7PRC, it might have done better. Basically a slightly updated 7SAUM, lol.

i dont think i can disagree with you on that at all. the 7mm was needing a revamp in the average consumer arena and Hornady got that 7PRC in there. Plus it ditches the belted case making a lot easier for people to reload.

 

[BuckRut]

No trimming?

 

[180ls1]

i guess i vary from most other people in that when im looking for

I think this is where the disconnect is.

In today's ecosystem if companies are not almost over the top annoying with marketing and hype they get buried. I know there are counter examples of this but we saw where that got the 6.8w. This type of ammo seems to be the future, not sure if the 7bc will be it or not.