6mm/6.5

[Formidilosus]

I agree with you a 100 percent Form on your marksmanship and experience with terminal performance on animals with your 6s and 6.5s! I am just pondering if I should step up to a 6.5 PRC for a little more killing range on Elk 7-900+ yards with a skilled shooter and say a match style bullet. Is the 6.5 PRC really going to give me that Wow factor at these extended ranges over the creedmoor?

No. I haven’t seen a wow factor from anything. The PRC is fine, and if factory ammo is a concern, it’s about the only choice. If reloading, the 6UM does everything better than the PRC and with higher hit rates and less recoil.

 

[Ryan Avery]

Learned the same thing in the late 90s from Alaskan natives pretty much only using .243 and .264 for caribou, brown bear, musk ox, moose, the list goes on…

Made the switch to .260 Rem after that learning experience and haven’t really looked back.

I never doubted they would work at shorter ranges. It’s the extended ranges that I have witness and from people I trust like Form and Jim that have changed my mind.


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[Dobermann]

Two elk shot with 6mm’s one with a 300 PRC, all at 640ish yards. I wonder if they knew the difference.

The more elk I witness getting shot with 6.5s and 6mm’s the more I think it’s magnum marketing(bigger is better)at play kind of like match bullets don’t work for hunting.

Watching Jim Carrs daughters and my wife pile up elk at LR year after year with a 6CM and 6.5 PRC. Reading Forms huge body of evidence not only with a 6.5 and 6mm but with .223s. It’s starting to look like we’ve been lied to by the hunting industry.


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Avery, tell me you didn't harvest all that meat ... and then stop at a Pizza Hut!

 

[brockel]

Two elk shot with 6mm’s one with a 300 PRC, all at 640ish yards. I wonder if they knew the difference.

The more elk I witness getting shot with 6.5s and 6mm’s the more I think it’s magnum marketing(bigger is better)at play kind of like match bullets don’t work for hunting.

Watching Jim Carrs daughters and my wife pile up elk at LR year after year with a 6CM and 6.5 PRC. Reading Forms huge body of evidence not only with a 6.5 and 6mm but with .223s. It’s starting to look like we’ve been lied to by the hunting industry.


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I’m starting to hear more and more of this same story. Between our 6.5-06s and 6.5 prc we’ve killed quite a few elk with the 6.5 cal. Killed my bull this year at about 260 yards with my shorty 6.5 prc. He made a 10 yard stumble and tipped. Watched a friend shoot two cows at 300 this year with his 300 rum. First cow hit perfect and went 50 yards and tipped. Second cow soaked up three 200 grain accubonds behind the shoulder before she decided to tip. About 20 yards total movement from first shot to last.

 

[Dioni A]

6.5 PRC 147 ELDM 759 yards HARD quartering away snuck the bullet just in front of the hind quarter and took out both lungs. Died in 40 yards 2260 impact velocity

6.5 PRC 147 ELDM 606 yards shot him bedded. He stood up then stumbled a few feet and died. Put the bullet right behind the shoulder. Impact 2400


6.5 creedmoor 140 ELDM 640 yards. Shot him bedded. Dead right there impact velocity 1890


6.5 PRC 147 ELDM 900 yards perfect broadside opportunity. It drifted into his neck. Dead right there impact velocity 2149.


6.5 PRC 147 ELDM 430 yards put a 4 shot 3 inch group into his guts (my scope lost zero) super sick from first shot. Stumbled a few feet and died. Impact 2603


6.5 PRC 147 ELDM 430 yard shot. Right behind the shoulder. Died in 50 yards.


6.5 PRC 147 ELDM 680 yards can't remember where I hit but it was dramatic. Impact 2358

 

[kkp005]

@Dioni A those are impressive! Seems like you’re still packing some velocity wayyyy out there. What’s your muzzle velocity?

 

[Dioni A]

@Dioni A those are impressive! Seems like you’re still packing some velocity wayyyy out there. What’s your muzzle velocity?

3050 fps starting out

 

[ShootOkHuntWorse]

Did you replace the scope that lost zero? Or do you think it just took a harder than normal fall?

 

[gabenzeke]

This thread is killing me. Here I've been working up to build a 7mm of some flavor and now I'm considering a 6.5 prc instead. Am I crazy to build a 6.5 prc for elk, deer, and bears out to 7 or 800? I have a 300 rum, but it's just a standard rem 700. This next rifle will be all custom and as such, will likely become the gun I carry and practice with all the time.

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[ktmkaratechips]

This thread is killing me. Here I've been working up to build a 7mm of some flavor and now I'm considering a 6.5 prc instead. Am I crazy to build a 6.5 prc for elk, deer, and bears out to 7 or 800? I have a 300 rum, but it's just a standard rem 700. This next rifle will be all custom and as such, will likely become the gun I carry and practice with all the time.

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I mean, whatever floats your goats, but I don’t feel a bit under-gunned with my prc out to those distances with those critters. you might gain marginally better ballistics from a seven though.

 

[Phil j]

Did you replace the scope that lost zero? Or do you think it just took a harder than normal fall?

What brands scope?

 

[redneckbmxer24]

I've shot quite a few deer beyond 500 yards with 243 and 6.5 creedmoor and a couple with 6.5x47L. 243 were all with 105 hybrids and 6.5 were all with 140 hybrids. All of the barrels were AI factory barrels which are Bartleins chambered by wintac and a couple of my 243's were Tooley barrels before they started wintac.

They worked well, I never lost any. Some would drop, some with go 10-20 yards. Mind you they were all does that were cull deer and no big bodied bucks or anything big like elk. The 6.5's would exit sometimes, the 6's never did at those distances. Furthest was just inside of 900 yards with the 6.5x47L.

A guy I know goes out west elk hunting almost every year and he brings a 6-284 and a 243AI both loaded with Berger hunting VLD's, 90gr I believe, I may very well be mistaken but its somewhere around that weight. He's usually 500-600 yards on his shots and has always been successful.

With that said, none of those combos I used on deer nor his would be my first choice as a big game LR hunting rifle based on what I've seen. I wouldn't hesitate to drive a Barnes LRX from a fast 6mm or 6.5 Creedmoor into a bigger animal beyond 500 though.

 

[rokbottom]

I’ve seen many people say that Gold Dots and Federal Fusion bullets are the same. I also get the BC is a function of velocity.

With that said, why do they have different BCs? I see the 140g Gold Dot is at 0.571 and the 140g Fusion is at 0.439. Pretty drastic difference.

 

[Formidilosus]

I’ve seen many people say that Gold Dots and Federal Fusion bullets are the same. I also get the BC is a function of velocity.

With that said, why do they have different BCs? I see the 140g Gold Dot is at 0.571 and the 140g Fusion is at 0.439. Pretty drastic difference.

The Gold Dot 140gr is not a .571 G1 BC.

 

[rokbottom]

The Gold Dot 140gr is not a .571 G1 BC.

So, Speer/CCI/Federal inflate the Gold Dot BC, but then decides to the leave Fusion at a more realistic BC?

 

[Formidilosus]

So, Speer/CCI/Federal inflate the Gold Dot BC, but then decides to the leave Fusion at a more realistic BC?

It’s in how the BC is calculated.


Do you believe that this-




Has a significantly higher BC than this-

 

[rokbottom]

I get that the Fusion or Gold Dot shouldn’t have a BC similar to any tipped/match bullet, which is why I’m saying that Gold Dot is inflated.

I was just comparing this (https://www.speer.com/bullets/rifle_bullets/gold_dot_rifle_component_bullet/19-264140GDB.html) to the BC that the Fusion lists.

 

[Formidilosus]

I get that the Fusion or Gold Dot shouldn’t have a BC similar to any tipped/match bullet, which is why I’m saying that Gold Dot is inflated.

I was just comparing this (https://www.speer.com/bullets/rifle_bullets/gold_dot_rifle_component_bullet/19-264140GDB.html) to the BC that the Fusion lists.

Correct. It does not have a .571 G1.

Companies mislabeling, miss representing, or incorrectly measuring BC is not new or uncommon.

 

[Dioni A]

Did you replace the scope that lost zero? Or do you think it just took a harder than normal fall?

I'm not entirely sure if it was scope or mounts. I've since replaced both. I'm pretty hard on my stuff in general so it's hard to say what specifically happened.

 

[slowelk]

I'm not entirely sure if it was scope or mounts. I've since replaced both. I'm pretty hard on my stuff in general so it's hard to say what specifically happened.

Context? What setup lost zero?