6mm/6.5

[Formidilosus]

Elk, 646 yards, 6UM with 115gr DTAC, 2,350fps impact-

Exit-



Lungs-




Elk, 636y, 6CM with 108gr ELD-M, 2,060fps impact.

Entrance directly through “shoulder”-


Entrance into rib cage-



Through lungs-



Exit out of the rib cage-



Exit out of the opposite “shoulder”-



And caught in the skin-








Those dreaded elk “shoulders”….

 

[Formidilosus]

Elk, 628 yards, 115gr DTAC, 2,020fps impacts-

First shot quartering to, over 20” of penetration, exit at back of ribs and caught by skin-

Second shot, quartering away, entered just in front of hip, traveled length of body through liver and lungs and getting caught by the scapula after exiting ribs-

Lungs-

The temporary stretch cavity caused tearing and bruising all the way up into the back strap 5 inches above the bullet.

 

[Formidilosus]

Elk, 6.5cm 517 yards, 143gr ELD-X, 1,980fps impact.

Entrance through back edge of shoulder (scapula)-

Entrance in ribs, under scapula-

Exit through “shoulder” (scapula)-

Exit through ribs-

Lungs-

 

[Formidilosus]

Elk, 6.5 cm 143gr ELD-X, 637 yards, 1,854fps impact.


Entrance through “shoulder” (scapula)

Scapula removed. Big hole on right is bullet, little hole on left is fragment or bone.

Lungs-

Exit, offside ribs-

Elk “shoulders” are bulletproof…. Give or take.

 

[Ryan Avery]

Two elk shot with 6mm’s one with a 300 PRC, all at 640ish yards. I wonder if they knew the difference.

The more elk I witness getting shot with 6.5s and 6mm’s the more I think it’s magnum marketing(bigger is better)at play kind of like match bullets don’t work for hunting.

Watching Jim Carrs daughters and my wife pile up elk at LR year after year with a 6CM and 6.5 PRC. Reading Forms huge body of evidence not only with a 6.5 and 6mm but with .223s. It’s starting to look like we’ve been lied to by the hunting industry.


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[Sako300]

I’m starting to think I don’t need to upgrade to a 6.5 PRC. With these match grade bullets, (eldx hunting grade bullets) velocities, and terminal results on elk. What do you guys think? What would I gain with the PRC? 100-200 yards further? I was thinking of upgrading to the 7 PRC, but what would be the next best LOW recoil cartridge and bullet for a couple hundred yards further and hitting a shoulder with these match grade bullets.

 

[alpine_troop]

I’m starting to think I don’t need to upgrade to a 6.5 PRC. With these match grade bullets, (eldx hunting grade bullets) velocities, and terminal results on elk. What do you guys think? What would I gain with the PRC? 100-200 yards further? I was thinking of upgrading to the 7 PRC, but what would be the next best LOW recoil cartridge and bullet for a couple hundred yards further and hitting a shoulder with these match grade bullets.

Yeah I’m with you. Happy with the terminal performance out of my 22” 6.5 CM, don’t think the juice is worth the squeeze to go bigger. If anything I now want a shorter barrel.

I shoot factory ammo exclusively, so it’s also nice to be able to order a case of 6.5 CM 143 ELDX Precision Hunter at $37/box, versus 6.5 PRC at north of $65/box if even in stock. And when I did a search online for 7 PRC out of curiosity, I found a few sites slinging it for $99/box. Hard pass.

 

[Formidilosus]

I’m starting to think I don’t need to upgrade to a 6.5 PRC. With these match grade bullets, (eldx hunting grade bullets) velocities, and terminal results on elk. What do you guys think? What would I gain with the PRC? 100-200 yards further? I was thinking of upgrading to the 7 PRC, but what would be the next best LOW recoil cartridge and bullet for a couple hundred yards further and hitting a shoulder with these match grade bullets.

What is the legitimate, honest in demand range that you are looking to take animals at? And, what is the legitimate range that you will practice to, in broken terrain consistently and frequently?

 

[woods89]

Two elk shot with 6mm’s one with a 300 PRC, all at 640ish yards. I wonder if they knew the difference.

The more elk I witness getting shot with 6.5s and 6mm’s the more I think it’s magnum marketing(bigger is better)at play kind of like match bullets don’t work for hunting.

Watching Jim Carrs daughters and my wife pile up elk at LR year after year with a 6CM and 6.5 PRC. Reading Forms huge body of evidence not only with a 6.5 and 6mm but with .223s. It’s starting to look like we’ve been lied to by the hunting industry.


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Especially when you realize that the vast majority of the animals killed in this country are at less than 400 yds.....

 

[Sako300]

What is the legitimate, honest in demand range that you are looking to take animals at? And, what is the legitimate range that you will practice to, in broken terrain consistently and frequently?

I constantly shoot out to 1200 yards on steel with my 6.5 creedmoor out in field type positions (prone bipod and a light rear bag) to mimic a long range hunting scenario. I typically go out 3-4 times a week and move my steel plate 12’’ in different terrain locations and obviously different windy days to practice my First COLD BORE shot with my BR2 and Kestrel. I use my spotter as well to look at mirage as well to phone Skope my First cold bore hits. I would say that my hit percentages on a cold bore first shot from 6-900 yards are within MOA. Obviously, with the 6.5 creedmoor, you are loosing velocity at 7-750 yards for adequate bullet exspansion. So with my shooting skills and wanting a 8-1,000 yard cartridge and bullet for ELK, with the lightest amount of recoil and a 9-10lb rifle, what would you use?

 

[RyanT26]

Two elk shot with 6mm’s one with a 300 PRC, all at 640ish yards. I wonder if they knew the difference.

The more elk I witness getting shot with 6.5s and 6mm’s the more I think it’s magnum marketing(bigger is better)at play kind of like match bullets don’t work for hunting.

Watching Jim Carrs daughters and my wife pile up elk at LR year after year with a 6CM and 6.5 PRC. Reading Forms huge body of evidence not only with a 6.5 and 6mm but with .223s. It’s starting to look like we’ve been lied to by the hunting industry.


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Someone has clearly hacked his account or he is hammered drunk. After all the years of shit talking……….and then Ryan Avery writes this.

 

[Ryan Avery]

Someone has clearly hacked his account or he is hammered drunk. After all the years of shit talking……….and then Ryan Avery writes this.

6.5 CM are still VERY gay! I will never own one.

And my 33XC isn’t going anywhere, I need it for certain hunts. But to say 6mm and 6.5 aren’t effective on animals with the right bullets is a lie.


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[RyanT26]

6.5 CM are still VERY gay! I will never own one.

And my 33XC isn’t going anywhere, I need it for certain hunts. But to say 6mm and 6.5 aren’t effect on animals with the right bullets is a lie.


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6.5 creedmoor Gay but effective.

Please tell me a Rokslide shirt with this on it is in the works.

 

[Ryan Avery]

6.5 creedmoor Gay but effective.

Please tell me a Rokslide shirt with this on it is in the works.

Haha!

Not a bad idea

 

[fwafwow]

6.5 CM are still VERY gay! I will never own one.

 

[Bubblehide]

Two elk shot with 6mm’s one with a 300 PRC, all at 640ish yards. I wonder if they knew the difference.

The more elk I witness getting shot with 6.5s and 6mm’s the more I think it’s magnum marketing(bigger is better)at play kind of like match bullets don’t work for hunting.

Watching Jim Carrs daughters and my wife pile up elk at LR year after year with a 6CM and 6.5 PRC. Reading Forms huge body of evidence not only with a 6.5 and 6mm but with .223s. It’s starting to look like we’ve been lied to by the hunting industry.


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I knew that type of statement was coming. Hell, I thought about making it; but you managed to make it unarguable.

 

[Ryan Avery]

To be fair…. Two brothers that I despise ruined the 6.5CM for me. So it’s not necessarily the 6.5CM it’s some of the owners. Childish and petty probably but I see people shooting them weekly that prove my point

 

[Formidilosus]

I constantly shoot out to 1200 yards on steel with my 6.5 creedmoor out in field type positions (prone bipod and a light rear bag) to mimic a long range hunting scenario. I typically go out 3-4 times a week and move my steel plate 12’’ in different terrain locations and obviously different windy days to practice my First COLD BORE shot with my BR2 and Kestrel. I use my spotter as well to look at mirage as well to phone Skope my First cold bore hits. I would say that my hit percentages on a cold bore first shot from 6-900 yards are within MOA. Obviously, with the 6.5 creedmoor, you are loosing velocity at 7-750 yards for adequate bullet exspansion. So with my shooting skills and wanting a 8-1,000 yard cartridge and bullet for ELK, with the lightest amount of recoil and a 9-10lb rifle, what would you use?

I can’t say that I see many first shots on a new target and new range in broken, mountainous terrain that are inside one MOA very often at 800+ yards. However, I do shoot those distances in previously unshot locations frequently.

I tailor what I shoot to the most likely scenarios, which for me is optimized for 0-700’ish yards, and capable out to 900 or so. That can be done with 6mm and 6.5m cartridges and normal rifles- I and those I hunt with have been doing it consistently with 6mm’s in the 243 range, 6.5 CM and PRC’s among others. Ryan’s 6UM is a very good setup for that for dedicated and serious shooters that will push ranges past 600 or so regularly, while still being very shootable suppressed.

The 900-1,000 yard range is where dedicated long range setups and specialized equipment start coming into play. Ryan’s 33xc has a purpose and place.

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

Two elk shot with 6mm’s one with a 300 PRC, all at 640ish yards. I wonder if they knew the difference.

The more elk I witness getting shot with 6.5s and 6mm’s the more I think it’s magnum marketing(bigger is better)at play kind of like match bullets don’t work for hunting.

Watching Jim Carrs daughters and my wife pile up elk at LR year after year with a 6CM and 6.5 PRC. Reading Forms huge body of evidence not only with a 6.5 and 6mm but with .223s. It’s starting to look like we’ve been lied to by the hunting industry.


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Learned the same thing in the late 90s from Alaskan natives pretty much only using .243 and .264 for caribou, brown bear, musk ox, moose, the list goes on…

Made the switch to .260 Rem after that learning experience and haven’t really looked back.

 

[Sako300]

I can’t say that I see many first shots on a new target and new range in broken, mountainous terrain that are inside one MOA very often at 800+ yards. However, I do shoot those distances in previously unshot locations frequently.

I tailor what I shoot to the most likely scenarios, which for me is optimized for 0-700’ish yards, and capable out to 900 or so. That can be done with 6mm and 6.5m cartridges and normal rifles- I and those I hunt with have been doing it consistently with 6mm’s in the 243 range, 6.5 CM and PRC’s among others. Ryan’s 6UM is a very good setup for that for dedicated and serious shooters that will push ranges past 600 or so regularly, while still being very shootable suppressed.

The 900-1,000 yard range is where dedicated long range setups and specialized equipment start coming into play. Ryan’s 33xc has a purpose and place.

I agree with you a 100 percent Form on your marksmanship and experience with terminal performance on animals with your 6s and 6.5s! I am just pondering if I should step up to a 6.5 PRC for a little more killing range on Elk 7-900+ yards with a skilled shooter and say a match style bullet. Is the 6.5 PRC really going to give me that Wow factor at these extended ranges over the creedmoor?