6mm /.243 hunting success on Big Game

[mxgsfmdpx]

In theory yes. But I’ve actually seen the opposite. Seems like the 108 eldms stick together and have a smaller wound channel and penetrate more than the 103 eldx. Just what I’ve seen

Nah. 108 Ms and 103 Xs are normally indistinguishable in wound shape. With overall ideal killing wound shape favoring the ELDX on average.

 

[24valve]

Question for Rokslide: this was my first season exclusively using a 6mm (.243/103) felt that animals ran further, but were dead on their feet making tracking more necessary than when I used a 308.

This is completely anecdotal and a very small data set. Do you have any input on this theory?

I've used and seen mostly 243, with some 7 mag, 270, 300 WM, and 223 on many mule deer, and when taken as a whole the distance to incapacitation was more dependent on shot placement than caliber. Spine/neck shots dropped them where they stood, lung/heart shots made them run 20-60 yards before passing out from lack of oxygen, and bad shots (guts/lower leg) would do anything from go 5 yards and bed down to tracking up to a mile.

Only used/seen 243 on a handful of elk, with more shot with 7 mag, 30-06, 300 win mag, and once again shot placement seems to be more indicative of the animals response than caliber. Elk differ in that they sometimes stand and hunch up when hit.

On this topic, shooting suppressed makes a big difference in animal response, as animals tend to run less often, run shorter distances when they do (before stopping to look back), and run in directions other than away from you with a suppressor regardless of caliber.

 

[Formidilosus]

I believe it was @Formidilosus that had indicated that the ELDx is more expansive in the bullets that are 6mm and smaller. But the 6.5mm and up, you tend to see more expansion / devistation from the ELDm...
I could be wrong so I tagged him to make sure I have my poop in a pile!

Most of the time like-ELD-M and X’s are nearly indistinguishable. However, it is all a bell curve. And where that bell curve on the left is “below the average expected upset range”- that is where you see a bit of advantage to ELD-X’s… and where some ELD-M’s show the issue.

The main reason can be seen in @CJ_BG picture. 147gr ELD-M on left, 143gr X on right.




The nose opening is much larger (relatively) on ELD-X’s than ELD-M’s. Notice the stem (shaft) of the tip is larger diameter on the X. Also, notice have the lead does not go all the way to the tip on the ELD-X, but does fill the entire nose cavity of the ELD-M. Also, look very close to the very tip of the jacket at the tip in the ELD-M- you can see it is ever so slightly thicker right at the end than it is below it-





This view shows it much better. .308 168gr ELD-M and AMAX in left, 178gr ELD-X in right. No comparison in the nose opening.




All combined, this means when seen in large numbers of animals, ELD-M’s and X’s are similar. But, if there is one that produces a narrower wound than expected, it will almost always be the ELD-M. As well, often- depending on which model; the ELD-M will exit as much or maybe even a tiny bit more often than X’s.

 

[Brap01]

I finally have one small data point for this thread

My lady killed her first deer this weekend, a button buck about the size of large dog.

.243 100gr Norma softpoint. 50yd shot, deer traveled about 50yd after the shot. The deer appeared broadside, but was quartered away.

Shot entered behind the near side shoulder and exited forward of the offside shoulder.

Caliber size entry, pingpong ball size exit. Lung material was blown out of the exit. She took out the top of the heart, but I didn't do much of a necropsy. No fragments were found during butchery.

Congrats to you and your lady, any first deer is great!

 

[BjornF16]

All combined, this means when seen in large numbers of animals, ELD-M’s and X’s are similar. But, if there is one that produces a narrower wound than expected, it will almost always be the ELD-M. As well, often- depending on which model; the ELD-M will exit as much or maybe even a tiny bit more often than X’s.

This seems counterintuitive given the relatively thinner jacket on ELD-Ms…thanks for the explanation

 

[BigThig09]

I work part time at a sporting goods store, and one of my most popular distributors shows a 110 grain tipped fusion in 6 arc as a new item. I can’t find anything else about it anywhere, not even on the Federal website. Anyone else heard anything about these? Could be a nasty deer round!

 

[omicron1792]

I work part time at a sporting goods store, and one of my most popular distributors shows a 110 grain tipped fusion in 6 arc as a new item. I can’t find anything else about it anywhere, not even on the Federal website. Anyone else heard anything about these? Could be a nasty deer round!

I love the tipped fusion in other calibers

 

[TxLite]

I work part time at a sporting goods store, and one of my most popular distributors shows a 110 grain tipped fusion in 6 arc as a new item. I can’t find anything else about it anywhere, not even on the Federal website. Anyone else heard anything about these? Could be a nasty deer round!

Sounds like it could be a shot show release? I don’t see anything else about it on Google.

Hopefully they offer it as a component for those of us that reload

 

[omicron1792]

https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_info.php/products_id/187398/fed+f6arctfs2+6arc+110gr+fusion+tipped

Definitely coming. Found it on about 20 online sites. None in stock to sell yet.

 

[TxLite]

https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_info.php/products_id/187398/fed+f6arctfs2+6arc+110gr+fusion+tipped

Definitely coming. Found it on about 20 online sites. None in stock to sell yet.

My Google-fu has failed me

 

[omicron1792]

I on

My Google-fu has failed me

I only found one site! But it had the SKU. Once I googled that a ton came up.

 

[WestTN2288]

Yall can keep that ammo, but I would love to have a couple boxes of those bullets

 

[amassi]

Sounds like it could be a shot show release? I don’t see anything else about it on Google.

Hopefully they offer it as a component for those of us that reload

They don’t seem interested in selling tipped fusion components unfortunately


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[The Guide]

They don’t seem interested in selling tipped fusion components unfortunately


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I'd like to see some 6CM ammo in addition to the 6mm ARC offering.

Jay

 

[amassi]

I'd like to see some 6CM ammo in addition to the 6mm ARC offering.

Jay

That’d be great we need more 6cm options at one time Remington listed a 109 Speer “deep impact” that I don’t think ever made it to market it may have been a predecessor to this 110.

Honestly I’d like the component for 6PRC /6 SAUM imp.


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[Chris in TN]

That’d be great we need more 6cm options at one time Remington listed a 109 Speer “deep impact” that I don’t think ever made it to market it may have been a predecessor to this 110.

Honestly I’d like the component for 6PRC /6 SAUM imp.


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If Remington is going to make 6mmcm ammo I wish they'd put out some rifles too.

There's reference to a 700 Magpul in 6mmcm but I can't find an actual rifle for sale anywhere.

I wish they made a light barreled 6mmcm, like maybe an SPS model. I really, really want to try a remarms-produced 700. Yeah, yeah, I know all the criticisms. I'm an old fudd who has shot 700s all my life. If I bought one and it didn't shoot well I'd just rebarrel it. I'd just like to give a remarms-production 700 an honest evaluation.