6 PRC recoil vs. 7-300 NMI recoil. Through the scope.

[huntnful]

Great stuff. One factor I'd appreciate hearing a bit about, is the amount of formal long-distance rifle training you've had (whether an actual class or an experienced mentor/instructor teaching you on the side as a friend, etc), and how often you practice and the types of round count you might get per session or per year on the bigger guns. In short, what kind of serious instruction and follow-up practice is necessary to shoot these guns at this level?

The more I've been paying attention to all sides of this argument, the more I seem to be seeing a parallel with aviation - lots of time in low-performance platforms before gradually increasing in size and capability, as you get certain performance benchmarks of your own. There's a lot to be said with small calibers in just increasing your overall round-count due to cost and recoil and not developing a flinch, and I think the average shooter gains a lot from just going out and doing it on their own. But if someone wants to reach your level with a big magnum - what kind of training and performance benchmarks are along the way?

No formal training whatsoever for me. I just like shooting. I can shoot out beyond 1000 yards 20 minutes from my house, any time I want. And I really only started with the postional type shooting last year, so that I could be more effective in the field. So that will only get better hopefully.

I have had good buddies and gun builders that always share insights also though. As well as learning a lot from here as well.

I absolutely know small guns are better for practicing fundamentals and are a joy to shoot.

I shoot 1000 rounds of Lapua cartridges every year at least. Not always some positional stuff or anything field related. But spend a lot of time behind the recoil, and it is honestly nothing to me whatsoever in a properly built rifle. I don’t know how many people have even shot behind an 11lb 300 NMI with a 26” barrel and good muzzle brake. They are MILD to shoot.

 

[huntnful]

That’s what I’ve been thinking lately. I’m not sure how to calculate it but how heavy does a 7-300NMI shooting 180s have to be to have similar recoil to a 6 creed shooting the 115s in a 7lb suppressed rifle?

I was shooting my 6 creed and 6.5 PRC the other day and they both felt very close in recoil and the only real difference I noticed was the PRC would jump up and over a few mils and the 6 creed just moved up a couple mils. Both suppressed and within a pound of each other and each were shooting stout hand loads. One with 115s and the other with 156s. Both in Rokstoks as well.

Muzzle braked 7-300 in my platform is about 16 ft lbs of felt recoil. 7.5lb 6 creed with suppressor is about 11.5 ft lbs of felt recoil.

Thats with a 50% reduction with muzzle brake and a 25% reduction with suppressor.

 

[Sadler]

Muzzle braked 7-300 in my platform is about 16 ft lbs of felt recoil. 7.5lb 6 creed with suppressor is about 11.5 ft lbs of felt recoil.

Thats with a 50% reduction with muzzle brake and a 25% reduction with suppressor.

My example was a bit extreme I suppose. Maybe a better example would be a 6.5 creed or 308 vs the 7-300. I know for me the rokstock alone makes all my guns recoil feel lighter so if you throw that in the mix as well it should help things out. Have you tried one out yet?

I’m a huge small caliber kill everything with it guy but I’ll always like magnums and if there’s a balance there I’d like to find it. Maybe an even better comparison is to use the SAUM cartridges instead of a full magnum. Either way from what you just typed out it’s not a huge difference. The only downside IMO is the break. Cuts recoil down a ton but after having one go off near me without ear pro I try to avoid all braked rifles.

 

[huntnful]

My example was a bit extreme I suppose. Maybe a better example would be a 6.5 creed or 308 vs the 7-300. I know for me the rokstock alone makes all my guns recoil feel lighter so if you throw that in the mix as well it should help things out. Have you tried one out yet?

I’m a huge small caliber kill everything with it guy but I’ll always like magnums and if there’s a balance there I’d like to find it. Maybe an even better comparison is to use the SAUM cartridges instead of a full magnum. Either way from what you just typed out it’s not a huge difference. The only downside IMO is the break. Cuts recoil down a ton but after having one go off near me without ear pro I try to avoid all braked rifles.

I have not shot behind a rokstok yet.

I like small calibers also, they are a blast to shoot and very capable killers. I would have ZERO issues hunting with a 6mm under a lot of, if not most circumstances.

Brakes are definitely brutal, and ear pro is 100% at the forefront of my mind at all times. I blew my left ear drum out 5 years ago shooting a coyote across the bed of a pickup with a braked rifle. I have not taken a single shot with a braked gun without ear pro in since then.

 

[Sadler]

I have not shot behind a rokstok yet.

I like small calibers also, they are a blast to shoot and very capable killers. I would have ZERO issues hunting with a 6mm under a lot of, if not most circumstances.

Brakes are definitely brutal, and ear pro is 100% at the forefront of my mind at all times. I blew my left ear drum out 5 years ago shooting a coyote across the bed of a pickup with a braked rifle. I have not taken a single shot with a braked gun without ear pro in since then.

If you’re ever in west Texas or southern New Mexico killing Auodad let me know, I’m here in Las Cruces and you can try it out.

I’ve become pretty fond of the 6 creed. Killed my elk with it this year and killed one last year with my 223. Those small “target” bullets are ruthless! I may need to try out the 6PRC though. I think that would be a good middle ground for a magnum.

Love the videos and info you put out man. Keep it up!

 

[huntnful]

If you’re ever in west Texas or southern New Mexico killing Auodad let me know, I’m here in Las Cruces and you can try it out.

I’ve become pretty fond of the 6 creed. Killed my elk with it this year and killed one last year with my 223. Those small “target” bullets are ruthless! I may need to try out the 6PRC though. I think that would be a good middle ground for a magnum.

Love the videos and info you put out man. Keep it up!

I definitely appreciate that offer!!

I had full intentions of hunting with my 6 PRC this year. But after shooting it side by side with my 7-300 at 1000 yards, I just couldn't do it. I KNOW it's a capable cartridge and bullet, I just didn't feel like I was giving up anything with the 7-300 at the close/mid ranges, and it hit the middle way more often at 1000 yards

 

[WeiserBucks]

I definitely appreciate that offer!!

I had full intentions of hunting with my 6 PRC this year. But after shooting it side by side with my 7-300 at 1000 yards, I just couldn't do it. I KNOW it's a capable cartridge and bullet, I just didn't feel like I was giving up anything with the 7-300 at the close/mid ranges, and it hit the middle way more often at 1000 yards

Wait a minute here, are you actually trying to tell us that high velocity, really high BC bullets are capable of long range hits?

 

[wind gypsy]

I don’t know how many people have even shot behind an 11lb 300 NMI with a 26” barrel and good muzzle brake. They are MILD to shoot.

I shot most of a barrels worth through a NM a bit heavier than that with a fat bastard brake. Recoil wasn't bothersome but that concussion was!

 

[huntnful]

I shot most of a barrels worth through a NM a bit heavier than that with a fat bastard brake. Recoil wasn't bothersome but that concussion was!

I can believe that for sure!

I personally just don't notice it, or am not bothered by it, or something. The first port on the SRS brake is a more perpendicular port, and then the rest are all angled. I think that first port helps mitigate the blast coming back to the shooter by quite a bit. Whatever it is though, it doesn't bother me for some reason. And I'm not just saying that to sound tough or prove a point, or be in denial or anything lol. It just isn't an issue that I've personally had is all.

 

[huntnful]

Wait a minute here, are you actually trying to tell us that high velocity, really high BC bullets are capable of long range hits?

From what I've seen, yes, it can be done.

 

[Sadler]

I definitely appreciate that offer!!

I had full intentions of hunting with my 6 PRC this year. But after shooting it side by side with my 7-300 at 1000 yards, I just couldn't do it. I KNOW it's a capable cartridge and bullet, I just didn't feel like I was giving up anything with the 7-300 at the close/mid ranges, and it hit the middle way more often at 1000 yards

Yeah man if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

 

[Lawnboi]

Do you have any suppressors? Would be cool for people to see the difference.

 

[WeiserBucks]

Do you have any suppressors? Would be cool for people to see the difference.

No muffler because Kali.

 

[huntnful]

7-300 NMI freehand at 100 yards. Last shot broke the chain link. Too much wallop, knockdown power, umpfff, KE and ballistics combined I think .

 

[RockAndSage]

7-300 NMI freehand at 100 yards. Last shot broke the chain link. Too much wallop, knockdown power, umpfff, KE and ballistics combined I think .

What's the total weight of this setup again? Also, couldn't quite tell from the vid, but is this one braked, or unbraked?

 

[elkguide]

Good stuff.

 

[huntnful]

What's the total weight of this setup again? Also, couldn't quite tell from the vid, but is this one braked, or unbraked?

That’s with the bipod attached. It has a 4 port brake.

 

[RockAndSage]

That’s with the bipod attached. It has a 4 port brake.
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For a full setup, scope and bipod, 11.5 pounds isn't too bad at all. It's not difficult to get up into that range with a fully kitted-out AR and a full mag, even when you're trying to keep the weight down. Good reference.

 

[Sako300]

7-300 NMI freehand at 100 yards. Last shot broke the chain link. Too much wallop, knockdown power, umpfff, KE and ballistics combined I think .

What’s the name and model of the muzzle brake on the 7-300???? Sorry if I missed it earlier on?

 

[huntnful]

What’s the name and model of the muzzle brake on the 7-300???? Sorry if I missed it earlier on?

It’s a stainless Salmon River Solutions. It works excellent.

For a full setup, scope and bipod, 11.5 pounds isn't too bad at all. It's not difficult to get up into that range with a fully kitted-out AR and a full mag, even when you're trying to keep the weight down. Good reference.

11.5lbs all up is really nice. Stable as can be and not absurd to carry for miles and miles. I like that weight range for sure!