6 arc or 22arc and 25 cred

[Williammcinall]

I've been going down the rabbit hole of a new rifle, and as primarily upland bird hunter my brain capacity is full from that world. I had good success with the 6 arc and 108eldm out to 413yrds last year on a mature mule deer and am comfortable in the small caliber world.

I have a howa mini 6 arc now that's built up with a stockys vg hunter, NF nxs 2.5-10x42, trimmed mag, MDT bottom metal.

My brain is stuck on wanting a larger caliber for elk and moose here in alberta, now that .22 cal is legal I've been thinking of going from The 6 arc to a 22arc for deer/sheep and building a 6 or 25 creed for larger game

The other side of my brain is just keeping the 6 arc loaded hot or rebarrel to 6 dasher. Either option puts 1800fps past my max range of 550 and knowing its going to work on the larger game like elk and moose

I am confident in that range as I shoot further that that range almost daily at home in multiple positions.

 

[HandgunHTR]

The 6ARC will be just fine on larger animals. All the 6 Creed gets you is more distance. If you need that distance then, by all means, build yourself a 6 Creed.

I would do both in 6mm, so you don't have to get a whole new slew of bullets. You can just keep slinging the 108s.

 

[WyoWild]

I have a lightweight 6 ARC for backcountry deer hunts. I am going to use an extra action I have to build a 16-18" suppressed 25 Creed to use for elk. Should give me a bit more range and the 130ish grain 25 cal bullets have awesome ballistics and will deliver a bullet that can do a bit more work. I don't think you can go wrong either way.

 

[Williammcinall]

I have a lightweight 6 ARC for backcountry deer hunts. I am going to use an extra action I have to build a 16-18" suppressed 25 Creed to use for elk. Should give me a bit more range and the 130ish grain 25 cal bullets have awesome ballistics and will deliver a bullet that can do a bit more work. I don't think you can go wrong either way.

I ended up rebarreling my arc to a 20" 6 dasher for my bush gun shooting the 108 eldm at 2850. And putting together a 24" 25 creedmoor for my open country/ mountain gun

 

[sierracharlie338]

I ended up rebarreling my arc to a 20" 6 dasher for my bush gun shooting the 108 eldm at 2850. And putting together a 24" 25 creedmoor for my open country/ mountain gun

Nice. I never thought I’d say this but I really enjoy my 25cm. That thing is a hammer. I’ll be shooting some of the factory stuff out of it this weekend.

 

[Williammcinall]

Nice. I never thought I’d say this but I really enjoy my 25cm. That thing is a hammer. I’ll be shooting some of the factory stuff out of it this weekend.

Im excited to get it finished and get some hand loads done up for it.

 

[HairyScandinavian]

I sure like the idea of the 25 CM. Seems like it's a great balance.

 

[sierracharlie338]

Im excited to get it finished and get some hand loads done up for it.

The 135 Bergers are stupid accurate and flat hammer.

I sure like the idea of the 25 CM. Seems like it's a great balance.

I’m sold on it.

 

[MuleyFever]

Got a 25CM this summer and really like it so far. I haven't shot it much but it made quick work of a caribou. Next up is pronghorn and cow elk.

 

[General RE LEE]

I like the 6 ARC so much I’m rebarreling my Howa Mini 6 ARC. It’s just a great all around cartridge for hunting and practice.

 

[mtnbound]

I've been going down the rabbit hole of a new rifle, and as primarily upland bird hunter my brain capacity is full from that world. I had good success with the 6 arc and 108eldm out to 413yrds last year on a mature mule deer and am comfortable in the small caliber world.

I have a howa mini 6 arc now that's built up with a stockys vg hunter, NF nxs 2.5-10x42, trimmed mag, MDT bottom metal.

My brain is stuck on wanting a larger caliber for elk and moose here in alberta, now that .22 cal is legal I've been thinking of going from The 6 arc to a 22arc for deer/sheep and building a 6 or 25 creed for larger game

The other side of my brain is just keeping the 6 arc loaded hot or rebarrel to 6 dasher. Either option puts 1800fps past my max range of 550 and knowing its going to work on the larger game like elk and moose

I am confident in that range as I shoot further that that range almost daily at home in multiple positions.

I would keep the 6ARC and build a 22CM.

 

[Williammcinall]

I would keep the 6ARC and build a 22CM.

I ended up rebarreling my arc to a 20" 6 dasher for my bush gun shooting the 108 eldm at 2850. And putting together a 24" 25 creedmoor for my open country/ mountain gun

 

[doc holiday13]

25 creed. with ELDM or ELDX... I haven't shot bergers yet, but a buddy of mine who shoots A LOT of deer is moving away from bergers for hunting.

 

[rookie7]

For those that have both 6.5 creed and 25 creed how is accuracy between the 2? Is one more than the other or is it anybody’s win depending on your day?

Also, I get how the 6 arc gets so much love because it is fun to shoot and I have both the 6 arc and the 6.5 Grendel. With my loads running 105s and 123s over xbr8208 the Grendel actually has better ballistics and energy out to 400 over the arc.

 

[PistolPete]

For those that have both 6.5 creed and 25 creed how is accuracy between the 2? Is one more than the other or is it anybody’s win depending on your day?

Also, I get how the 6 arc gets so much love because it is fun to shoot and I have both the 6 arc and the 6.5 Grendel. With my loads running 105s and 123s over xbr8208 the Grendel actually has better ballistics and energy out to 400 over the arc.

That's interesting. Same barrel length? What is your max range (>1800 fps) with each?

 

[Fireflyfishing]

The correct answer is get them all.

 

[cal30_sniper]

For those that have both 6.5 creed and 25 creed how is accuracy between the 2? Is one more than the other or is it anybody’s win depending on your day?

Also, I get how the 6 arc gets so much love because it is fun to shoot and I have both the 6 arc and the 6.5 Grendel. With my loads running 105s and 123s over xbr8208 the Grendel actually has better ballistics and energy out to 400 over the arc.

I also have both. If you’re a hand loader, the Grendel is a slightly more efficient round, especially from shorter barrels. Goes to show the power of marketing with how quickly the ARC took off while the Grendel has lurked in the shadows for decades. I’m just glad that the ARC craze has rubbed off on some extra love for the Grendel.

 

[Williammcinall]

For those that have both 6.5 creed and 25 creed how is accuracy between the 2? Is one more than the other or is it anybody’s win depending on your day?

Also, I get how the 6 arc gets so much love because it is fun to shoot and I have both the 6 arc and the 6.5 Grendel. With my loads running 105s and 123s over xbr8208 the Grendel actually has better ballistics and energy out to 400 over the arc.

What's your bullet and fps? A quick calculation with Hornady load data using the 108eldm and 123 eldm the 6.5 grendel crosses 1800fps at 500 and the 6 arc at 675 for my elevation etc. At 400yard the arc still has less wind drift

 

[rookie7]

That's interesting. Same barrel length? What is your max range (>1800 fps) with each?

What's your bullet and fps? A quick calculation with Hornady load data using the 108eldm and 123 eldm the 6.5 grendel crosses 1800fps at 500 and the 6 arc at 675 for my elevation etc. At 400yard the arc still has less wind drift

So my 2 setups are:

1. Howa mini 6.5 grendel "heavy" barrel - 20" threaded - I have 376 rounds down the barrel - shot it with a SilencerCo Scythe Ti

2. Ruger American Gen 2 Ranch - 16" barrel - 132 round count - also with the Scythe

The load for the Gendel is:
Starline brass, CCI 400, IMR xbr8208 27.7 gr, 123 ELDM at a 1.690 BTO

The 6 arc load is:
Starline brass, S&B primer, 27.5 gr of xbr8208, Hornady 105 bthp match #2458

At 801' of elevation these are my numbers:

Grendel: 2503 fps average 1711 ft/lbs kinetic energy at muzzle

ARC: 2640 fps average, 1625 ft/lbs kinetic energy at muzzle

If you add another 100 fps (I'm guessing) to the ARC to account for the 4" differenc in barrel length that would take it to 2740.

So, I stand corrected based on shooter's calculator - at 400 yards the 105 running 2740 is 1028 energy and the 123 a 400 is 955.

In the real world on game? In my hunting world where 99% of my shots are 200 and in the Grendel does everything I want/need. Good thing I have both. The only problem I have is one suppressor.

The real question for my next purchase - should I buy the Seekins Havak ph3 in 6.5 creed or 6 creed? 20" barrel for either b/c I'm running suppressed and only shooting southeastern whitetails or any coyote that comes by.