Indian Summer
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What makes so many guys think that recoil is the devil? That it makes it impossible to shoot a rifle accurately?
Id Jon I know where I hit. All the “data” I need is a dead elk laying where he stood.
Also, what makes so many guys think women and young hunters can’t handle recoil? My guess is that the guys who say that can’t handle it. I can tell you 2 things: First, recoil is manageable. Have any of you pea shooters ever even shot a gun with a muzzle brake? Second: There are certainly women and youths out there that can handle a larger gun AND they are EXCELLENT shots with them.
When I first got my .300 RUM I put a very nice gummy rubber recoil pad on the stock. I had never used a muzzle brake and I was concerned putting one on my rifle might affect the accuracy. But after talking to some serious shooters and gunsmiths I decided to install one. At first I left the recoil pad on. Omg it was amazing! So amazing that I took the recoil pad off. Didn’t need it.
I don’t need to put bullets through the same hole. That’s the talk of bench shooters. As long as a bullet never strays more than 3 inches from center in any direction I’m fine with that as a hunter. And that’s at 600-800+ yards. At 100-300 it’ll shoot as well as any gun including the Creed and other light guns.
A couple common sense statements:
How can a gun that barely kisses your shoulder have the same performance as one that gives you a little thump? How can you believe that even though it’s not hitting you hard it’s hitting an elk like a wrecking ball?
I’m give you guys a railroad tie and a railroad spike. Whoever drives the spike into the tie all the way first wins. You have your choice of a typical carpenter’s framing hammer, or a 7 pound sledgehammer. Why do we already know which hammer will win the race? Because the stored energy of the sledge keeps the forward momentum even after impact. And guess what… it’s bigger to so accuracy isn’t as critical. Yes you’ll have to work harder to swing it. You might even get sore if you did it all day. But wait.. is the sledge really more work? If you drove the same number of spikes with the carpenter hammer I guarantee you’d be hurting even more But with a rifle cartridge driving a bigger hammer isn’t harder. You just put 90 or so grains of powder behind it.
Even a woman or a little kid can understand this stuff. If you can’t understand it stand still while I smack your big toe with an Estwing framer and then see how you feel about me smashing it with a sledge. Or come to my camp and we’ll have a wood splitting contest. You with your hatchet and me with my maul.
Put it this way… nothing in life is free. There’s always a price. There might be a small price to pay shooting a .30 cal rifle but in the big picture of life you have to work a little for the things you want. Shooting elk with anything less than you can handle is asking for the goods without paying the price. I think you just love your awesome little gun and that’s understandable. But if you don’t want that bull to run over a hill that’s nearly a cliff or cross a fence that you can’t there are definitely, obviously, better choices. And to tell me you can’t handle shooting any of those options is ridiculous. It just tells me two things. You haven’t tried, or you just don’t want to because of your love affair with your pea shooter.
NO! I did NOT say you need a top monster. magnum. I didn’t say shoot something you’re not comfortable with. Just that there a better choices that I know anyone can handle.
Note: It took me two weeks to finally toss political correctness aside and use the words pea shooter on this thread. I know it spikes the blood pressure of the little gun crowd. But it is what it is when you compare it to the velocity, trajectory, and energy of a real elk gun. (Ouch!) lol
Oh wait… those things don’t matter. Placement is everything.
And Craig Boddington is clueless. Ok
Id Jon I know where I hit. All the “data” I need is a dead elk laying where he stood.
Also, what makes so many guys think women and young hunters can’t handle recoil? My guess is that the guys who say that can’t handle it. I can tell you 2 things: First, recoil is manageable. Have any of you pea shooters ever even shot a gun with a muzzle brake? Second: There are certainly women and youths out there that can handle a larger gun AND they are EXCELLENT shots with them.
When I first got my .300 RUM I put a very nice gummy rubber recoil pad on the stock. I had never used a muzzle brake and I was concerned putting one on my rifle might affect the accuracy. But after talking to some serious shooters and gunsmiths I decided to install one. At first I left the recoil pad on. Omg it was amazing! So amazing that I took the recoil pad off. Didn’t need it.
I don’t need to put bullets through the same hole. That’s the talk of bench shooters. As long as a bullet never strays more than 3 inches from center in any direction I’m fine with that as a hunter. And that’s at 600-800+ yards. At 100-300 it’ll shoot as well as any gun including the Creed and other light guns.
A couple common sense statements:
How can a gun that barely kisses your shoulder have the same performance as one that gives you a little thump? How can you believe that even though it’s not hitting you hard it’s hitting an elk like a wrecking ball?
I’m give you guys a railroad tie and a railroad spike. Whoever drives the spike into the tie all the way first wins. You have your choice of a typical carpenter’s framing hammer, or a 7 pound sledgehammer. Why do we already know which hammer will win the race? Because the stored energy of the sledge keeps the forward momentum even after impact. And guess what… it’s bigger to so accuracy isn’t as critical. Yes you’ll have to work harder to swing it. You might even get sore if you did it all day. But wait.. is the sledge really more work? If you drove the same number of spikes with the carpenter hammer I guarantee you’d be hurting even more But with a rifle cartridge driving a bigger hammer isn’t harder. You just put 90 or so grains of powder behind it.
Even a woman or a little kid can understand this stuff. If you can’t understand it stand still while I smack your big toe with an Estwing framer and then see how you feel about me smashing it with a sledge. Or come to my camp and we’ll have a wood splitting contest. You with your hatchet and me with my maul.
Put it this way… nothing in life is free. There’s always a price. There might be a small price to pay shooting a .30 cal rifle but in the big picture of life you have to work a little for the things you want. Shooting elk with anything less than you can handle is asking for the goods without paying the price. I think you just love your awesome little gun and that’s understandable. But if you don’t want that bull to run over a hill that’s nearly a cliff or cross a fence that you can’t there are definitely, obviously, better choices. And to tell me you can’t handle shooting any of those options is ridiculous. It just tells me two things. You haven’t tried, or you just don’t want to because of your love affair with your pea shooter.
NO! I did NOT say you need a top monster. magnum. I didn’t say shoot something you’re not comfortable with. Just that there a better choices that I know anyone can handle.
Note: It took me two weeks to finally toss political correctness aside and use the words pea shooter on this thread. I know it spikes the blood pressure of the little gun crowd. But it is what it is when you compare it to the velocity, trajectory, and energy of a real elk gun. (Ouch!) lol
Oh wait… those things don’t matter. Placement is everything.
And Craig Boddington is clueless. Ok
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