6.5 Creedmoor Hornady 140 ELDM for Bull Elk

[180ls1]

Thanks. Leaning 280 AI best drift profile and drift is the variable we have the least control over.
6.5 PRC for deer/pronghorn just looks sweet IMO. The 270 WSM is crazy flat but flat doesn't impress me as much as drift. Now the 270 WSM and 6.5 PRC have nearly identical drift but the 270 WSM is way flatter but more recoil. Decisions, decisions,....LOL

No solutions, only tradeoffs!

What if you got a custom chamber/twist on the .270 to shoot the big heavies?

 

[ElGuapo]

How can you deny in good faith the gains threads with hundreds of testimonials and pictures.
The 6.5 thread and even the 223 thread?

You litterly have the info that if works superbly rite in front of you face and are denying it.

Use what you want, but you are simply spreading misinformation when you say it doesn't work.

What proof do you have that it doesn't?

Holy smokes, did I say anywhere that it wouldn’t work? If I did, then I definitely take that back…. I’m sure it works mostly. I think I said, it doesn’t make it a good Idea. That’s my opinion, from my personal experience. The CM isn’t magic, it’s just common, easy to shoot, accurate, and I now know there’s ALOT of guys out there that really hate recoil, and that cartridge fixes it.

I believe bigger, heavier bullets make a difference, especially with large game such as Elk. I never argued that bad shot placement was a reason for that. My experience is that they “Subjectively” are more effective. That’s my opinion….. I’m probably wrong….. I’ll take my wrong opinion and keep on smashing what I shoot at. You should shoot what you have confidence in… I believe that as strongly as I believe the other stuff. If that rifle is what you have confidence in, then that’s what you should shoot.

 

[Mule3006Elk]

No solutions, only tradeoffs!

What if you got a custom chamber/twist on the .270 to shoot the big heavies?

Isn't that the truth! Tradeoffs.

Haven't considered a custom build..yet.

 

[ElGuapo]

Never an elk?

You guys should just ignore my input. Neither of us will convince the other of anything. Best of luck!

 

[bmart2622]

Im not trying to convince you of anything, Im trying to gather info and insight into your perspective

 

[EmperorMA]

Umm yeah no if your gonna hunt with a smaller caliber you had definitely better use a good expanding hunting style bullet . Why take one of the most difficult hunts and toughest animals and handcuff yourself with inadequate equipment that you have complete control over. Hell even the manufacturers of most match grade bullets including Hornady don't recommend them for use on game.

What "caliber" (cartridge is actually it) would you suggest?

 

[EmperorMA]

LOL Common F$#king sense.......................................

Based on what?

My longest tracking job on a bull was one hit in both shoulders and lungs with a 250gr Nosler Partition from a .338 Win Mag.

All my bulls hit with a 6.5 Creedmoor have been DRT.

 

[packgoatguy]

140eldm has done it again. My 16yr old son took this bull (Public land DIY) a couple weeks ago. 1 shot, mid shoulder. The bull dropped at the impact and slid down the steep hill about 10 yards and never got back up. It was a 6.5prc this time, at 640 yards, so impact velocity was about 2170fps, which is about the same as my 6.5cm at 450 yards.

 

[Kimber7man]

140eldm has done it again. My 16yr old son took this bull (Public land DIY) a couple weeks ago. 1 shot, mid shoulder. The bull dropped at the impact and slid down the steep hill about 10 yards and never got back up. It was a 6.5prc this time, at 640 yards, so impact velocity was about 2170fps, which is about the same as my 6.5cm at 450 yards.

Congrats!

 

[Dust Rider]

140eldm has done it again. My 16yr old son took this bull (Public land DIY) a couple weeks ago. 1 shot, mid shoulder. The bull dropped at the impact and slid down the steep hill about 10 yards and never got back up. It was a 6.5prc this time, at 640 yards, so impact velocity was about 2170fps, which is about the same as my 6.5cm at 450 yards.

The double third tine is cool. Congrats on your boy killing a nice bull

 

[HunterGatherer]

Good morning fellas. I am taking my 6.5 CM to Colorado for 2nd rifle this year. I’ve read a decent amount concerning match grade bullets being used for elk successfully and consistently. I’m wondering if this bullet is up to the task? If so, what about max effective range on elk, and what shots would one avoid? With all due respect, I don’t care to hear any suggestions about using something bigger, or 30 cal this or that. This is my rifle, and if I happen to see a legal bull elk, I will be attempting to harvest him with this gun. BTW, Remington 700 SPS AACSD with 22” 8 twist. Competent to 5-600 yards under ideal circumstances. Don’t think I’d attempt any further, and only that range with near perfect conditions. Thank you for your input. Bill

This ELDX didn’t perform well up close on a smallish meat bull… 30yds 6.5prc …hit nothing but ribs and lungs. Complete separation of jacket and core. Did it kill it ? Yes, but I had to put follow up shots and I’m curious where all the lead is at now ( in my animal). This is also why I hold back from the crease. My bow would’ve been a cleaner kill. Also, the cartridge below had a defect from the factory and jammed. Lots os people have “good results “ with this bullet I’ll be loading up some copper monos this winter and won’t be shooting Hornaday ELDX again.

 

[HunterGatherer]

Shot placement, for reference…

 

[DisplacedHusky]

How long was it on its feet? What did the internals look like?

 

[HunterGatherer]

How long was it on its feet? What did the internals look like?

He didn’t last long after the follow up but that’s not my main concern. I just don’t like bullets that blow up, period. In the past, I’ve blown up core lokt (trash), and partitions as well. The vast majority of my rifle kills are under 100yds and I need a bullet for that specifically (mono). The 6prc is not the ideal caliber for close range anyway IMO. Got the rifle for wolves but wanted to put some miles on it during elk season.
The wound channel through the lungs was surprisingly small, with a quarter-sized exit hole. Most of the energy was lost in the first few inches of penetration.

 

[wind gypsy]

Shot placement, for reference…

Looks like back of lungs/liver and low in the stomach?

 

[HunterGatherer]

Looks like back of lungs/liver and low in the stomach?

Center lungs, slight quartering away, and the other one was the offside of quartering-to shot. You’ll notice the front leg is pushed way forward by the hide wrapped around it. Either way, shot placement did not contribute to the bullets coming apart.

 

[EmperorMA]

He didn’t last long after the follow up but that’s not my main concern. I just don’t like bullets that blow up, period. In the past, I’ve blown up core lokt (trash), and partitions as well. The vast majority of my rifle kills are under 100yds and I need a bullet for that specifically (mono). The 6prc is not the ideal caliber for close range anyway IMO. Got the rifle for wolves but wanted to put some miles on it during elk season.
The wound channel through the lungs was surprisingly small, with a quarter-sized exit hole. Most of the energy was lost in the first few inches of penetration.

That same 6PRC using a mono bullet will leave an even smaller wound channel.

I've often thought that a .338 Federal shooting 160gr or 185gr TTSX would be the perfect thick woods rifle.

 

[HunterGatherer]

That same 6PRC using a mono bullet will leave an even smaller wound channel.

I've often thought that a .338 Federal shooting 160gr or 185gr TTSX would be the perfect thick woods rifle.

Probably about the same size channel but the mono will retain 90+% of it’s weight (even if it hits heavy bone) vs ~20%. The Barnes out of my 06 have performed phenomenally at close range. Boom, flop, dead.

 

[HunterGatherer]

I didn’t read back through this thread before I posted, or I wouldn’t have posted at all . For the record, the 6cm and PRC are plenty of gun for an elk. I’m not hating on the caliber in general, but if you’re picking the right tool for the job and the job is killing elk at close range, (and don’t want lead in your food), a match bullet or cup and core in general are not the best tool for the job. On the other hand, if you’re shooting elk from 200-600yds on average then it’s a great bullet.

 

[lak2004]

I didn’t read back through this thread before I posted, or I wouldn’t have posted at all . For the record, the 6cm and PRC are plenty of gun for an elk. I’m not hating on the caliber in general, but if you’re picking the right tool for the job and the job is killing elk at close range, (and don’t want lead in your food), a match bullet or cup and core in general are not the best tool for the job. On the other hand, if you’re shooting elk from 200-600yds on average then it’s a great bullet.

Seems like the rational way to look at it.