6.5 creed more for elk

It’s about 200 fps slower than a 270 with the same weight bullet, which is only 100 yards different. If the 270 is a giant killer at 500 yards, the 6.5 should do it just as well at 400.

Now that is baiting them out.
You two are funny. Sure, with a 140 the 270 can run 200 to 300 fps faster than the 6.5CM with an equivalent weight bullet. The 270 also does that in a long action with 13 to 16 grains additional powder. When comparing the two powder volumes, the 270 uses 30 to 40 percent more powder than the 6.5CM does. The 270 Winchester uses the same volume of powder that the 6.5 PRC does and that additional powder charge in the 6.5 PRC brings the velocity back to the exact same rate as the 270 Winchester.

The OP asked specifically about using the 6.5CM on elk and deer. The 6.5 Creedmoor will carry enough velocity to kill any deer or elk out past 600 yards with factory ammo using optimized bullets. This means that the 6.5 Creedmoor will work to distances most people can not make an ethical first round hit on a 2 MOA target.

The whole argument about one cartridge not being enough but this other one being great are hog wash. Put holes in the vitals and things die. Use optimized bullets in everything and stop worrying about bullets and the case they are launched from and more about accuracy, anatomy of the animal, and bullet placement.

Jay
 
You two are funny. Sure, with a 140 the 270 can run 200 to 300 fps faster than the 6.5CM with an equivalent weight bullet. The 270 also does that in a long action with 13 to 16 grains additional powder. When comparing the two powder volumes, the 270 uses 30 to 40 percent more powder than the 6.5CM does. The 270 Winchester uses the same volume of powder that the 6.5 PRC does and that additional powder charge in the 6.5 PRC brings the velocity back to the exact same rate as the 270 Winchester.

The OP asked specifically about using the 6.5CM on elk and deer. The 6.5 Creedmoor will carry enough velocity to kill any deer or elk out past 600 yards with factory ammo using optimized bullets. This means that the 6.5 Creedmoor will work to distances most people can not make an ethical first round hit on a 2 MOA target.

The whole argument about one cartridge not being enough but this other one being great are hog wash. Put holes in the vitals and things die. Use optimized bullets in everything and stop worrying about bullets and the case they are launched from and more about accuracy, anatomy of the animal, and bullet placement.

Jay
I don’t tend to pay much attention to efficency in powder consumption. Nothing wrong with it, it just seems not important. Like talking gas mileage at a car show.

The smaller cartridge with fragmenting “optimized” bullet works within its limitations, while the larger cartridge works with any run of the mill bullet resting on the shelves of every gun or hardware store. As a 12 year old I bought a cheap 270, topped it with cheap scope mounts and a cheap scope, shooting cheap factory ammo and killed everything with it out to 400 yards quite well. It just works and has for over 100 years, which is why it’s so popular.

More bullet damage photos have been circulated by small caliber guys trying to convince each other, than have ever been seen on computer screens. Fragmenting bullets do kill things and bloodshot a lot of meat in the process. That’s been true since the 22 Savage High Power came out. Nothing new about that, but it’s a conscious choice many meat hunters make to avoid it. I’ve hunted with a family where kids were specifically barred from using your “optimized” bullets because the parents were tired of throwing bloodshot meat away.

The fear mongering from small caliber proponents is strong - it gets repeated over and over that nobody can shoot anything larger than a 270 accurately, yet I see pre teens, teenagers, girls, and old lady’s shoot quite well. If you want to be a Tacticool shooter and free recoil shots, refuse to have separate training and hunting rifles, force yourself to train with a hunting cartridge, don’t want to spend even a minute learning to manage recoil, then yes that type of person needs to stick with a marginal small gun regardless of what’s a better hunting cartridge.

It all seemed like common sense to teenage me just watching animals get smacked and none of the experiences or information shared online since has changed my view on any of it.

Not everything has to be optimized so shoot what makes you happy. Having grown up with multiple rifles of all sizes, amazing elk hunting within a hour in one direction, deer an hour in another, antelope an hour east, huge prairie dog towns a hour north, coyotes everywhere, a free 450 yard range 5 minutes down the road, a community that essentially shuts down for the opening of hunting season, I feel bad for the one gun hunter who rarely gets field experience. It’s a myth that large cartridge fans only know large cartridges. We grow up with all sorts of guns and almost everyone I know started out taking their first game with a 243 and with actual real world experience tried different combinations friends had and moved up in size. We also shoot all sorts of quirky things because they are fun. Long range pistols, big revolvers, muzzleloaders, old obsolete guns, elephant guns, varmint guns - stay within their limitations and pick your shots carefully. My 243 has killed an elk hanging out by hay stacks, just as 100s of 243s have on ranches all over. Pops and his friends killed everything in Alaska except musk ox and polar bear with head shots from a .17 Remington when it came out in the 1970s because the challenge was fun. Plenty of guys shoot long range because it’s fun. Shoot small calibers if they are fun, but don’t blow smoke that they are just as deadly with just as few limitations as larger cartridges.
 
I don’t tend to pay much attention to efficency in powder consumption. Nothing wrong with it, it just seems not important. Like talking gas mileage at a car show.

The smaller cartridge with fragmenting “optimized” bullet works within its limitations, while the larger cartridge works with any run of the mill bullet resting on the shelves of every gun or hardware store. As a 12 year old I bought a cheap 270, topped it with cheap scope mounts and a cheap scope, shooting cheap factory ammo and killed everything with it out to 400 yards quite well. It just works and has for over 100 years, which is why it’s so popular.

More bullet damage photos have been circulated by small caliber guys trying to convince each other, than have ever been seen on computer screens. Fragmenting bullets do kill things and bloodshot a lot of meat in the process. That’s been true since the 22 Savage High Power came out. Nothing new about that, but it’s a conscious choice many meat hunters make to avoid it. I’ve hunted with a family where kids were specifically barred from using your “optimized” bullets because the parents were tired of throwing bloodshot meat away.

The fear mongering from small caliber proponents is strong - it gets repeated over and over that nobody can shoot anything larger than a 270 accurately, yet I see pre teens, teenagers, girls, and old lady’s shoot quite well. If you want to be a Tacticool shooter and free recoil shots, refuse to have separate training and hunting rifles, force yourself to train with a hunting cartridge, don’t want to spend even a minute learning to manage recoil, then yes that type of person needs to stick with a marginal small gun regardless of what’s a better hunting cartridge.

It all seemed like common sense to teenage me just watching animals get smacked and none of the experiences or information shared online since has changed my view on any of it.

Not everything has to be optimized so shoot what makes you happy. Having grown up with multiple rifles of all sizes, amazing elk hunting within a hour in one direction, deer an hour in another, antelope an hour east, huge prairie dog towns a hour north, coyotes everywhere, a free 450 yard range 5 minutes down the road, a community that essentially shuts down for the opening of hunting season, I feel bad for the one gun hunter who rarely gets field experience. It’s a myth that large cartridge fans only know large cartridges. We grow up with all sorts of guns and almost everyone I know started out taking their first game with a 243 and with actual real world experience tried different combinations friends had and moved up in size. We also shoot all sorts of quirky things because they are fun. Long range pistols, big revolvers, muzzleloaders, old obsolete guns, elephant guns, varmint guns - stay within their limitations and pick your shots carefully. My 243 has killed an elk hanging out by hay stacks, just as 100s of 243s have on ranches all over. Pops and his friends killed everything in Alaska except musk ox and polar bear with head shots from a .17 Remington when it came out in the 1970s because the challenge was fun. Plenty of guys shoot long range because it’s fun. Shoot small calibers if they are fun, but don’t blow smoke that they are just as deadly with just as few limitations as larger cartridges.
Crap bullets are still crap bullets regardless of if you shoot them in a 270 Winchester or a 6.5 Creedmoor or a 300WM. Placing a bullet in a non-vital or marginal spot will not ensure a quick kill regardless of the caliber or cartridge. Small caliber guys have experience with and still often shoot large caliber cartridges too. I've owned and shot everything from 204 Ruger to a 338 Lapua Improved. My dad bought me my own Winchester M70 XTR Featherweight in 270 Winchester topped with a 4x Leupold for Christmas when I was 12 years old. I shot everything from ground squirrels to elk with cheap 130 and 150 grain bullets. Once I was grown I started trying some more premium bullets and found that wound channels changed depending on the bullet type. It took me a long time to understand that the cartridge doesn't matter at all just the velocity and the bullet construction. As long as the payload is delivered at the speed it is designed to work at and into a vital area, it doesn't matter if the bullet was launched from a 6.5 Grendel or 264 Win Mag, a 300 Blackout or a 300 Weatherby, a 7mm-08 or a 7mm STW because the bullet will do its job.

One day you will understand that just because something doesn't fit into your box doesn't mean that it fits perfectly into somebody else's box.

Jay
 
Crap bullets are still crap bullets regardless of if you shoot them in a 270 Winchester or a 6.5 Creedmoor or a 300WM. Placing a bullet in a non-vital or marginal spot will not ensure a quick kill regardless of the caliber or cartridge. Small caliber guys have experience with and still often shoot large caliber cartridges too. I've owned and shot everything from 204 Ruger to a 338 Lapua Improved. My dad bought me my own Winchester M70 XTR Featherweight in 270 Winchester topped with a 4x Leupold for Christmas when I was 12 years old. I shot everything from ground squirrels to elk with cheap 130 and 150 grain bullets. Once I was grown I started trying some more premium bullets and found that wound channels changed depending on the bullet type. It took me a long time to understand that the cartridge doesn't matter at all just the velocity and the bullet construction. As long as the payload is delivered at the speed it is designed to work at and into a vital area, it doesn't matter if the bullet was launched from a 6.5 Grendel or 264 Win Mag, a 300 Blackout or a 300 Weatherby, a 7mm-08 or a 7mm STW because the bullet will do its job.

One day you will understand that just because something doesn't fit into your box doesn't mean that it fits perfectly into somebody else's box.

Jay
Crap bullets? Such as? Good hunting bullets have been around a long time. Some even mimicking todays fragile designs though BC was not figured in as a the deciding factor.
 
You two are funny. Sure, with a 140 the 270 can run 200 to 300 fps faster than the 6.5CM with an equivalent weight bullet. The 270 also does that in a long action with 13 to 16 grains additional powder. When comparing the two powder volumes, the 270 uses 30 to 40 percent more powder than the 6.5CM does. The 270 Winchester uses the same volume of powder that the 6.5 PRC does and that additional powder charge in the 6.5 PRC brings the velocity back to the exact same rate as the 270 Winchester.

The OP asked specifically about using the 6.5CM on elk and deer. The 6.5 Creedmoor will carry enough velocity to kill any deer or elk out past 600 yards with factory ammo using optimized bullets. This means that the 6.5 Creedmoor will work to distances most people can not make an ethical first round hit on a 2 MOA target.

The whole argument about one cartridge not being enough but this other one being great are hog wash. Put holes in the vitals and things die. Use optimized bullets in everything and stop worrying about bullets and the case they are launched from and more about accuracy, anatomy of the animal, and bullet placement.

Jay
 
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