6.5 creed magnum

[Xycod]

This is probably already in another thread but what do you guys think, especially when they release the 308 as well, along with various others. Death blow to the 6.5 prc, rip.

6.5mm Creedmoor +PEAK

The 6.5 Creedmoor has become one of the most popular modern cartridges for hunting and long-range target shooting. But Federal just unlocked its true potential with new 6.5 Creedmoor +Peak.

www.federalpremium.com

 

[stevevan]

6.5 PRC is safe. More than likely they'll use the same technology for it and juice up its performance too.

 

[3855WIN]

Big innovation.

 

[Macintosh]

We all know faster is deader is gooder. More gooder is betterer.

As a hunter killing critters between 30 yards and 400 yards, with the vast, vast majority inside of 250, how exactly is this helpful for me compared to a standard 6.5cm?

 

[ckt3]

We all know faster is deader is gooder. More gooder is betterer.

As a hunter killing critters between 30 yards and 400 yards, with the vast, vast majority inside of 250, how exactly is this helpful for me compared to a standard 6.5cm?

Only real benefit is see there is flatter shooting for ranging errors and longer MPBR depending if that’s how you hunt

 

[WCB]

We all know faster is deader is gooder. More gooder is betterer.

As a hunter killing critters between 30 yards and 400 yards, with the vast, vast majority inside of 250, how exactly is this helpful for me compared to a standard 6.5cm?

Depends...for someone like me that backpack hunts. I'd run and 16" suppressed rifle and get essentially standard 6.5crd 24" velocity. Drop isn't as much of a concern but wind deflection will improve. But ill shoot animals beyond 400 even though yes...most are shot closer.

But like any cartridge argument...why? most is personal preference as the standard .308 will literally work in 99.9% of situations on any animal in the world up to certain African Species (hippo, Elephant, Cape Buffalo) And would certainly work on two of them with the right bullet in most situations.

 

[UnckleBob]

We all know faster is deader is gooder. More gooder is betterer.

As a hunter killing critters between 30 yards and 400 yards, with the vast, vast majority inside of 250, how exactly is this helpful for me compared to a standard 6.5cm?

If people can get their surpressed 16” 6.5CM to match an unsuppressed 22” 6.5CM in velocity.

#winning

 

[jpilot77]

Well if all you need is standard 6.5 CM velocities the Peak ammo will do that in very short barrels which is quite nice.

 

[BLJ]

.308 will literally work in 99.9% of situations on any animal in the world up to

hippo, Elephant, Cape Buffalo

I knew where you were going with that.
Just did a little proofreading for you.

 

[Macintosh]

Ok so short barrel. Makes sense.
24” barrel - 8” @ 25fps/in = 200fps.

So why shoot for 300fps extra, 30+% more than needed to make up for the barrel length? Its still going to recoil a lot more than a 6.5cm, and at 100fps more than a prc it’ll likely recoil as much or more than a PRC. Seriously, i shoot a 6.5 a lot instead of a 308 because after 50-100 rounds in a sitting it hurts—even the 6.5 gets tiresome in a light rifle with any volume. I do not WANT more velocity beyond what I need. By this logic, id rather have a 6.5arc peak, than I would a 6.5cm peak.

For occasional use I suppose maybe worth trying, but for a shooter like me who has no need for extended range/ higher velocity there’s a specific reason I shoot a 6.5cm and NOT a 6.5prc or a 308. Im sure it’ll be popular and it does make sense if the performance is good, just not sure the benefit is worth the cost in recoil (or cost) for me. If I thought I needed a prc-level cartridge then yeah, it's make a lot more sense. I'm just not on the magnum-train.

I think a cartridge like this would make a lot more sense in something like a 6.5 grendel.

 

[MOHunter]

Ok so short barrel. Makes sense.
24” barrel - 8” @ 25fps/in = 200fps.

So why shoot for 300fps extra, 30+% more than needed to make up for the barrel length? Its still going to recoil a lot more than a 6.5cm, and at 100fps more than a prc it’ll likely recoil as much or more than a PRC. Seriously, i shoot a 6.5 a lot instead of a 308 because after 50-100 rounds in a sitting it hurts—even the 6.5 gets tiresome in a light rifle with any volume. I do not WANT more velocity beyond what I need. By this logic, id rather have a 6.5arc peak, than I would a 6.5cm peak.

For occasional use I suppose maybe worth trying, but for a shooter like me who has no need for extended range/ higher velocity there’s a specific reason I shoot a 6.5cm and NOT a 6.5prc or a 308. Im sure it’ll be popular and it does make sense if the performance is good, just not sure the benefit is worth the cost in recoil (or cost) for me. If I thought I needed a prc-level cartridge then yeah, it's make a lot more sense. I'm just not on the magnum-train.

I think a cartridge like this would make a lot more sense in something like a 6.5 grendel, or a 6.5x45 or 6.5 TCU, ie a .223 rem case necked up to hold a 6.5mm bullet.

The technology gains the extra velocity from higher pressure, NOT more powder. If fact, to make it work with shorter barrels it's often using faster burning powders (ie potentially less powder). As an example, Winchester Staball 6.5 powder reaches max pressure of about 64k psi for me at 45.8 grains. Varget, a faster powder, produces nearly 94k psi at the same charge weight. I must back it down to 40.4 gr to see the same pressure as the Staball. Or, at about 44.0 gr of Varget I'm hitting max pressure for the Peak cases.

Bullet weight will impact recoil, thus your preference for the 6.5 over the .308. However, I don't believe pressure will have the same impact on recoil. You'll literally be shooting less powder for more velocity.

All the guys who say what does it do that my current gun/ammo won't do in terms of effectiveness are looking at it from the old school viewpoint. Used to be you had to justify a new gun. Now, you can get more velocity, same or less recoil, and keep your current gun. Seems like a no-brainer to me. I can't wait to try it in my daughter's 16.5" Ruger American Gen 2!!

 

[HairyScandinavian]

Any concerns with the higher pressure and barrel/throat erosion and life expectancy?

 

[naked wombats]

Any concerns with the higher pressure and barrel/throat erosion and life expectancy?

On the Federal page, it indicates its no different.

Not gonna hold my breath, but maybe faster burning powders used are cooler burning like H1000?

Also possible its still similar volume of powder, but just faster burn rate to hit desired pressure instead of larger charge.

 

[Xycod]

Any concerns with the higher pressure and barrel/throat erosion and life expectancy?

That what I’m concerned about, and no way it won’t have more recoil reguardless of what they try to tell people. Can’t defy physics no matter how good the marketing is.

 

[naked wombats]

Can’t defy physics no matter how good the marketing is.

If its the same volume of powder, but burning faster to hit the target pressure, is it actually more recoil?
I can definitely see a difference in recoil impulse trending snappier.

Be interesting to hear from folks that have loaded faster powders vs slower powders at similar charges. Maybe the silhouette crowd?

 

[naked wombats]

Thinking about 30 herret vs 30-30 here. Similar ballistics but smaller case and faster powders in the herret.

 

[craigrh13]

2000 fr lb of energy past 300 yards is pretty damn good.

 

[Xycod]

I’ll bet 6.5 creed sales went crazy today. All these online sales of the 6.5 creed, then the trade in used guns on sale racks, sales guys and owners scrambling to change prices asap lol, remove the sales tags.

 

[Macintosh]

The technology gains the extra velocity from higher pressure, NOT more powder. If fact, to make it work with shorter barrels it's often using faster burning powders (ie potentially less powder). As an example, Winchester Staball 6.5 powder reaches max pressure of about 64k psi for me at 45.8 grains. Varget, a faster powder, produces nearly 94k psi at the same charge weight. I must back it down to 40.4 gr to see the same pressure as the Staball. Or, at about 44.0 gr of Varget I'm hitting max pressure for the Peak cases.

Bullet weight will impact recoil, thus your preference for the 6.5 over the .308. However, I don't believe pressure will have the same impact on recoil. You'll literally be shooting less powder for more velocity.

All the guys who say what does it do that my current gun/ammo won't do in terms of effectiveness are looking at it from the old school viewpoint. Used to be you had to justify a new gun. Now, you can get more velocity, same or less recoil, and keep your current gun. Seems like a no-brainer to me. I can't wait to try it in my daughter's 16.5" Ruger American Gen 2!!

Clear. But velocity and the mass of the ejecta (bullet + powder) still defines recoil. I doubt the difference in powder weight is sufficient to offset the increase in velocity. I would have said its a given that it’ll still recoil more than a standard creedmoor. Maybe less than a PRC, but still more than a creedmoor. In other words, from a performance standpoint id think this is a “low recoiling PRC”, not a “fast creedmoor”.

 

[Escalante11]

Clear. But velocity and the mass of the ejecta (bullet + powder) still defines recoil. I doubt the difference in powder weight is sufficient to offset the increase in velocity. I would have said its a given that it’ll still recoil more than a standard creedmoor. Maybe less than a PRC, but still more than a creedmoor. In other words, from a performance standpoint id think this is a “low recoiling PRC”, not a “fast creedmoor”.

Both reviews I’ve seen from people who have been shooting it noted little to no perceived increase in recoil over standard 6.5 Creed loads.