470” Arizona bull

[Tick]

Awesome bull and good for him.

The guy contributed more money to wildlife conservation on one hunt than I will in my lifetime.

 

[Deplorable77]

Video was taken down. What was the context?

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[roosiebull]

After watching the video you almost feel bad for the bull ! Really, over 1000 yards away, at what point is this considered borderline not ethical. Between not having to do any leg work all the way up to just being the guy pulling the trigger. Every year I see hunting turning into more of a rich mans sport(not just elk hunting)and it kinda saddens me. To all the DIYers putting in the blood ,sweat ,and tears to still harvest an elk ,bull or cow, Congratulations! Or even if you don't harvest but still get out after em and enjoy the time in the field, Congratulations!

everything in life is relative.... that bull paid for a lot of money in conservation. i don't need to ever kill a bull like that to validate myself, i love elk hunting, and do a bunch of it every year, 95% by myself.... things like this bull don't bother me at all, that guy may have not done the leg work to find that bull and pattern him, but he made a big contribution to AZ conservation.... more than about any "regular joe" will in a lifetime of hunting.

elk hunting is not a rich man's sport, it can be done every year for very modest prices. if you want to have a really good chance at a 350+" bull every year you hunt elk, then yeah, money helps a lot..... but hunting them has nothing to do with killing a huge bull. i don't understand the "rich man's sport" reference.

good for the hunter, he made a big contribution to AZ, and ended up with a huge bull. i will never kill a bull close to that size, and i'm perfectly ok with that.... i will enjoy elk hunting every year until i'm unable to do it.

 

[MULEPACKHUNTER]

search it on youtube its still there

 

[MULEPACKHUNTER]

I would love to see a breakdown of where exactly this money goes, I have also pointed out that the money is all put to elk only as stated by AZGFD, somehow every year I spend 60 plus days in the hills playing cowboy and yet I don't see any thing different year after year. so if the money all goes back to elk habitat or whatnot are we talking biologists, serveys, what??? I still see them needing volunteers for water hauling, catchment repairs etc. The places we go are exactly the same every year with dry catchments falling apart and more razors and quads than room on the roads to put them. Hope its doing some good somewhere and not paying for more paperwork

 

[Scooter90254]

Awesome bull and congrats to all involved.
This hunt probably brought closer to $500k to the local hunting economy.

It’s a great fundraiser for conservation in the state. How people can hate on this is beyond me. Again I’m not going to do not my thing it but it’s good for hunting.

What about all the guides that got paid very well to help.

 

[TX_Diver]

Crazy! Awesome bull.

Here's the video for those that couldn't find it.

 

[spike camp]

I go back and forth on this...

The guy says he’s not a hunter. He made a good shot. The money goes to some form of conservation, and he honestly seemed humbled.

But, as been pointed out...what does ‘goes to conservation’ mean exactly.
Seriously- what exactly, is the money used for?

And as also has been pointed out, at what point does this kind of whoring out wildlife, do more harm than good?

I felt bad for the bull...they knew he was anchored, but didn’t finish him ( probably to lessen the chances of hitting the antlers with a bullet).
Didn’t like that part at all.

As far as Trent..who knows.
He was offered a set of replica antlers, which are worth a LOT of money.
His chances were probably slim, running into that bull with a tag(considering A3) and his name would be smeared by all those guys if he chose to run off the bull.
Don’t know Trent, but it didn’t seem like he had good options.

 

[Chesapeake173]

I was kind of ambiguous about this until I read 1000 yard shot. That’s just BS. You can’t tell me he couldn’t have halved that distance. If he couldn’t then he can keep trying.

Ya ya I know people can make those shots and practice and blah blah blah. It’s a live animal in the woods. Bad things can happen.


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[Ratbeetle]

Money for conservation or not, everything about that "hunt" is about as distasteful as it gets for me.

Not something I would want anything to do with...of course my bank account balance ensures I'm in no danger of a Gov tag any time soon.

 

[Thomahawk]

Wow that’s nice!!!!!


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[MULEPACKHUNTER]

I have said it before, I would follow by the second if one of these rich guys bought a tag and went DIY for the year. That would be Epic, most folks work hard so they can spend as much time as possible in the hills or on the water. Why in gods name would one blow 200,000 plus to fly in for one day to shoot and animal then fly out that night, just seems like a mental problem. Total epic story would be if this guy finds out about a young family hunting together and helped them use this tag , I bet it would be ten times as fulfilling.

 

[roosiebull]

I go back and forth on this...

The guy says he’s not a hunter. He made a good shot. The money goes to some form of conservation, and he honestly seemed humbled.

But, as been pointed out...what does ‘goes to conservation’ mean exactly.
Seriously- what exactly, is the money used for?

And as also has been pointed out, at what point does this kind of whoring out wildlife, do more harm than good?

I felt bad for the bull...they knew he was anchored, but didn’t finish him ( probably to lessen the chances of hitting the antlers with a bullet).
Didn’t like that part at all.

As far as Trent..who knows.
He was offered a set of replica antlers, which are worth a LOT of money.
His chances were probably slim, running into that bull with a tag(considering A3) and his name would be smeared by all those guys if he chose to run off the bull.
Don’t know Trent, but it didn’t seem like he had good options.

AZ is one of, if not the best state about truly using conservation for conservation... if this was Oregon, I would have the same concerns. AZ actually uses this money where it should be used.

I agree, that video wasn’t enjoyable to watch from my perspective, that bull needed another bullet to end it, but nobody wanted the guy shooting again because they didn’t want the antlers shot... lots of weird aspects to me, but of course, I’ll never see a live bull of that caliber, so of course it’s a different thing.

that is so far out of my reality, of the 16 roosies I have killed with my bow, there are only 2 that I’m kinda curious about what they score, one I will probably have scored some day.... that’s a lot different than 300+k spent to kill a certain giant bull, with a dozen guys actively involved....

My 100 dollar contribution to the state is a lot different than his 250k contribution.

As long as I don’t try turning it into my perspective, I think it‘a great, it is what it is as far as the hunt, and they would have been better off not filming it or hiring someone good to do it if they wanted to, to depict the hunt better.

I get people’s point, there is a part of me that cringes at the huge bull getting whacked by a rich guy with no effort invested from 960yds across canyon at a time of year there is no competition... the reality is, that bull was dead soon regardless, and that particular bull represents a big chunk of money for the state, which is as meaningful as an animal’s life gets. He could and maybe should have been a great story, but for many, stories fizzle away pretty quick for most, and are only important to a few people involved

 

[Grover]

If you want to see how this kind of thing goes down and get sick to your stomach about these type of tags. Theres hard working local guy from AZ that was on this bull and has years of scouting on him, look up ROGUEOUTDOORSMAN on youtube and he has a video and back story on this whole deal.
Good for the tag holder on his attitude and getting out there any way he can but the whole thing just gave me a stomach ache. Not my cup of tea. I feel sick for the rogue guys and family and friends who could have hunted this bull.

I watched the Rogue Outdoorsmen video of the hunt last week and it reakky bothered me. They should have put that animal down much quicker but feared of breaking a horn off at 1000 yards. Very sad/disturbing,

 

[Zzyzx]

Probably had to shoot at 1000 yards. Because it takes 20 guys and 3 mules to move that hunter around and that makes alot of noise.

 

[Huntnnw]

I get the whole money for conservation, but its not for me and I couldnt even watch the whole video it left a bad taste.

 

[hntr]

Everything about this "hunt" is ridiculous. This isn't hunting. Feel bad for anyone else hunting this unit after all this. Basically had a party of 30 guys tromping around up there. I too would love to see how this money is allocated. IMO this is just creating trophy hunting of another caliber. What is already hardly affordable won't be affordable in 10 years. Outfitter tags will be going through the roof and you will continue to see whole army's going after one bull in units others are trying to hunt. 1,000 yard shots aren't hunting. Flying in when your guide you have on contracted tells you he spotted the bull isn't hunting. I don't care even if this money went directly back into habitat. This is a bad look for hunting. This doesn't represent what 99% of us hunters are about.

 

[Gobbler36]

My biggest problem is you guys keep posting well “ az actually uses this money for conservation etc” well what examples do we have of where the actual money goes, saying conservation is very broad, what projects, improvements, etc can they point at and say that the money from this hunt went here??????? Someone point that out to me and I’ll be a believer of auction tags otherwise they are just taking tags out of the working classes pockets for a quick payday

 

[Bailer]

My biggest problem is you guys keep posting well “ az actually uses this money for conservation etc” well what examples do we have of where the actual money goes, saying conservation is very broad, what projects, improvements, etc can they point at and say that the money from this hunt went here??????? Someone point that out to me and I’ll be a believer of auction tags otherwise they are just taking tags out of the working classes pockets for a quick payday

I think Arizona Elk Society gets the money from either this tag or the raffle tag. If I get some time later I’ll try to find info. If it is them it would be mostly habitat and water projects.

I’m not a fan of A3 or the other outfitters and the gang hunt style. That said, I do buy a few tickets for the raffle tag every year.

 

[WRO]

Everything about this "hunt" is ridiculous. This isn't hunting. Feel bad for anyone else hunting this unit after all this. Basically had a party of 30 guys tromping around up there. I too would love to see how this money is allocated. IMO this is just creating trophy hunting of another caliber. What is already hardly affordable won't be affordable in 10 years. Outfitter tags will be going through the roof and you will continue to see whole army's going after one bull in units others are trying to hunt. 1,000 yard shots aren't hunting. Flying in when your guide you have on contracted tells you he spotted the bull isn't hunting. I don't care even if this money went directly back into habitat. This is a bad look for hunting. This doesn't represent what 99% of us hunters are about.

I think at over 200k, the governor tag is already through the roof.

I haven't seen a cheap landowner or outfitter tag since 2012.

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