.30 bullet selection

One thing that surprised me was the POI change between the different loads but to keep things fair for comparison I did not make any changes to the scope until after I selected the round I would hunt with.

Its the only way to test loads. I've had to coach folks I was reloading for to stop trying to chase the center of the target when testing load variations, it doesn't matter during testing, some scope clicks will solve that issue once you find what you like in terms of grouping.
 
I can't find the full PDF files anymore, just the ones with 2 powders. Can you find the full ones still?

Now that you say that I can't for the .308 either... the 06 one is conclusive... I know that doesn't help, but I'm suprised the .308 isn't... I would maybe email them?
 
I think they pulled then all down a couple of years ago to boost book sales. No one was buying when you can download for free.
 
Robtatto - where are you located? I think I still have some of the other ammo left over I'm not using I could make you a good deal on to try out but not sure how bad the shipping would be.
 
Personally I think Barnes shine when driven fast and a 308 is only gonna shoot a 168 ttsx Aron's 2700-2800 FPS. Which is why of shooting Barnes in a 308 I think a 150 or even a 130 ttsx is a better option.
 
I haven't run the ballistics yet, but I'm pretty sure I should be well above 2200 at 300yds. I'd be surprised if that would be an issue. Vance tells me that in 40-odd years of hunting there, he's never had a shot beyond 300 & most were 50-150.
 
So, I just plugged the info into the calculator, predicting a 2700fps MV I get a 300yd velocity of 2235.

Dammit.

Might have to look at 150s or go a different direction.
Again.

Accubonds maybe....
 
So, I just plugged the info into the calculator, predicting a 2700fps MV I get a 300yd velocity of 2235.

Dammit.

Might have to look at 150s or go a different direction.
Again.

Accubonds maybe....

As long as you were holding to 300yd that's still okay in my opinion, I use 2200fps impact as MY max. The TTSX is supposed to "open" to 1800fps and the LRX to 1600 but when you look at petal opening photos around 2200fps is where they open a fair bit, faster than they they start peeling more and the expanded DIA grows a bit more.

Don't feel compelled to use them, I just telling you what I know and I like them.
 
So, I just plugged the info into the calculator, predicting a 2700fps MV I get a 300yd velocity of 2235.

Dammit.

Might have to look at 150s or go a different direction.
Again.

Accubonds maybe....
I took a whitetail at 562 yards with a ttsx... blew out the brisket area on impact. That was a 168 from an 06, so impact would be in the low 1800s range I would expect. Didnt seem to have any expansion problems.
 
They open still at 1800 but the petals just start peeling a bit on soft tissue so it wouldn't be great on certain shots that's all. Just know what you are working with and pick your shot accordingly. (Might suggest avoiding a double rear lung at low impact for instance).
 
First, it is refreshing to hear someone have the option to go with a 308, 30-06, or 30 cal magnum and choose the 308. I'm having this same discussion on another forum and it is amazing how many people want to put down the 308. I am in a similar boat, but I only own a 308 bolt action as up here in New England, its really tough to justify anything larger. Our woods are dense, our farms/fields are smaller, lots of hills, whitetails are on the smaller side, No elk, Moose are limited draw, etc. etc. I am very comfortable with my Savage, and it is very very accurate. So rather than drop coin on a 30-06 for 150-200fps more or a magnum which would only see use once every couple of years for a trip out of New England, I decided to work with my 308.

I've been experimenting with heavy for caliber bullets. I know a lot of you on here are recommending the 165/168 grain range but wanted to share my results. The 180 Accubonds were incredibly accurate, and 200 grain partitions less accurate but still quite accurate for an exposed lead non-boat tail bullet. I decided to give the 200 grainers a shot because my rifle has a 1:10" twist and because the 200 grain partition actually as a shorter overall length than the 180 grain accubond. So realizing I wasn't really sacrificing case capacity, I gave it a shot. At the Nosler guide's max pressure it with 180's, I got to an average of 2530fps using 43.5gr Varget (ballistic calc says -10.27 inches at 300 yards with a 200 yd zero). Working up a load on the 200 grain partitions, I managed to average 2430fps at 46gr of Reloader 17 and -11.37inch drop. This was measured with a chronograph 4 yards from the muzzle. When I calculate for a 165 grain accubond, I'm coming up with 2730fps and -8.88 inches at 300 yards. This was all done using Nosler 308 brass and CCI 200 primers, at ambient temperature of 40 degrees, using a rifle with only a 20" barrel.

So the difference between a 165 grain accubond and a 200 grain partition using real world measurements is about 2.49inches, or roughly the size of a chapstick at 300 yards. Is that modest flattening of trajectory at what is probably the extreme end of the 308's effectiveness worth using a lighter bullet on such larger game?

I am planning on trying 180 grain partitions and Reloader 17 next to see if I can strike a balance between speed and weight, but anyone who shoots a 308 I would recommend spend some time researching about the guys who have used Reloader 17 to really push the envelope into 30-06 territory. Some guys have done so with great results.
 
So, I just plugged the info into the calculator, predicting a 2700fps MV I get a 300yd velocity of 2235.

I think you may find that you can get 2900fps out of a .308 pushing TTSX 150's.

My load for last fall was the 150gr TTSX over Varget and I was getting 2950fps out of it. That was as hard as I wanted to push my gun - primers starting to show a little love and velocity starting to push book published.

I also tried a load using BL-C(2) and got another 100fps out of it. Again, near max load to get those results.

Both shot very well. I went with Varget because I have more experience with that powder across varying conditions and know it's pretty consistent. BL-C(2) wasn't showing variation in different temps, but the extra 100fps wasn't worth it for me given my longest practice was at 300 yards and I wasn't comfotable stretching much beyond that.
 
testing

be conscious of conditions when testing. i say this because a friend decided to test bullets one day and he came to the conclusion that the grand slam was a poor bullet that disintegrated. he shot into wet phone books at 25 yd and high velocity. one of the bullets in the pic above was recovered from a 30 yd shot and a stout powder charge.

my conclusion is, wet phone books are a poor medium for testing



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THAT is well said !
 
How does that old statement go ? ... "beware of the man who shoots just one rifle for everything because he probably knows how to use it" or something like that

I know a few LE and military "shooters" who can (or have) done some pretty profound things with a good .308 - putting limitations on it's effectiveness is not wrong but may be a bit premature - .308's shooting 180's, killing elk and mulies in wide open "long range territory" has been the "norm" for many years out west
 
Nothing trumps shot placement. Rule of thumb energy on impact is just a suggestion and won't fix crapoy shooting. All good opinions here w/o bagging anything.

Folks plan for different things when their max shot is 300 vs their normal shot being 300, different calibers have pros and cons there.
 
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