30-06 vs 7 Rem Mag vs 270

[Laramie]

I dont mean to sound disrespectful but if you cant get under 100 yard shots on a dairy farm your doing something wrong. I shot an antelope at 55 on open flats last september. Ive only made 2 shots over 200 yards in the last 10 years. I only hunt Wyoming and I shot almost 300 lbs of meat this last fall.

Do you have any clue what is like to hunt high pressure whitetails on open ground? Seriously. You aren't stalking an animal that's covering ground chasing does. You lucky to have them in sight more than 30 seconds.

I grew up in wyoming and have taken 100s of big game animals. Open field mature whitetails are one of the most challenging.

I'll take your good money on the 700+ yard shots with my 6.5 prc. Meet up wyoming this summer or fall? $100 a shot? Prarie dogs, antelope, whatever.

 

[270-300]

Do you have any clue what is like to hunt high pressure whitetails on open ground? Seriously. You aren't stalking an animal that's covering ground chasing does. You lucky to have them in sight more than 30 seconds.

I grew up in wyoming and have taken 100s of big game animals. Open field mature whitetails are one of the most challenging.

I'll take your good money on the 700+ yard shots with my 6.5 prc. Meet up wyoming this summer or fall? $100 a shot? Prarie dogs, antelope, whatever.

I do have a clue. Ive killed over 2 dozen while tails with arrows. I also have a clue what its like to hunt deer on dairy farms in the east. Some places you can set up a blind or stand and they will walk 3 yards from you. The white tail over my mantle is a 12 point. Ive had thousands of deer in sight much longer than 30 seconds. Im really good about not spooking game when im hunting. Im sorry white tails are so hard for you to shoot with a rifle. I also live in wyoming. Maybe more than one person lives in wyoming and uses the internet?

As to your offer, i do not have any interest in watching you recreationally shoot antelope at 700 yards. However, if I return from africa this year before elk season starts I will see if you have time to shoot prairie dogs.

 

[tH1e swiN1e]

First and foremost, you should own all 3 because... more guns are better.

 

[Shraggs]

Other, 6cm/243

I would rather have less recoil for those ranges and a short case for less weight depending on gun choice.

 

[coyotekilla]

Id pay good money to watch you shoot deer on a windy day at 700 yards with any of the calibers you suggested.

Well, you might just get your chance to spend your money. What's your wind speed suggestion?

 

[user2026]

What bullets were you using in your 6.5 that left you wanting more punch?



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I shoot 125 grain partitions. Its not that I was disappointed with it, but I want a new rifle anyways, might as well step it up a little and get something flatter shooting, that will hit a little harder. I'm a believer in hydrostatic shock. You can't count in it, but it absolutely can happen, cause I've seen deer drop in their tracks from hits that never interfere with the cns. Maybe its not hydrostatic shock, but its something.

 

[user2026]

Jack oconnor said 270 is the best for deer because it has the flat trajectory with tons of power. He said 30 06 is more versatile because it can take 220 grain bullets for african game, and 180 are the best for elk and moose. 7mm was not very popular when he was writing so he doesnt say much about it.

Jack oconnor talks a lot about point blank sight ins. With 270 in 130 grain spitzers, he says to sight so that 275 yards is dead on. That makes 200 3" high and 350 2" low. He says this eliminates hold overs or scope adjustments while being lethal on any big game. Remember those days were long before range finders, so they also called flat shooting cartridges easy to shoot or accurate because being off on range estimate was of less consequence than say 45 70.

If it was me id go 270. Ive killed deer and elk with 130 grain bullets no problem. Less recoil and flatter shooting than 30 06. 7mm rem mag is too much rifle for what your doing. Atleast 2 lbs heavier, atleast 2" longer barrel, and about 4x the recoil. Dont forget 270 is $25 a box vs 60-90 for the 7mm.

I dont mean to sound disrespectful but if you cant get under 100 yard shots on a dairy farm your doing something wrong. I shot an antelope at 55 on open flats last september. Ive only made 2 shots over 200 yards in the last 10 years. I only hunt Wyoming and I shot almost 300 lbs of meat this last fall.

Where I hunt, you are are not consistently stalking to within 200 yards let alone 100. These deer are very highly pressured, and rarely stay in a field for more than a minute if they even stay for more than 10 seconds. If you aren't already on the ground, then by the time you could walk 100 yards closer the deer will be gone, even without getting spooked, just because these deer never stop moving. I'm not saying they are hard to hunt, but they are very difficult to stalk to within close range. I have killed them with a bow many times, and will continue to do so, but I've also had seasons where I never got a chance at any deer within bow range.

 

[B Harrison]

I have a thing for the 270.
If you can get one to shoot the 150’s it’s relatively equal in energy to a 30-06 load, and flatter shooting.

If you want magnum power, the 7rm is pretty capable for most anything, but it’s expensive and has more recoil.

You probably need a 30-06 too, just haven’t realized that.


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[Agross]

270

 

[180ls1]

Where I hunt, you are are not consistently stalking to within 200 yards let alone 100. These deer are very highly pressured, and rarely stay in a field for more than a minute if they even stay for more than 10 seconds. If you aren't already on the ground, then by the time you could walk 100 yards closer the deer will be gone, even without getting spooked, just because these deer never stop moving. I'm not saying they are hard to hunt, but they are very difficult to stalk to within close range. I have killed them with a bow many times, and will continue to do so, but I've also had seasons where I never got a chance at any deer within bow range.

.270 A-Bolt 130 SST on a muley @ 215. Listen for the whack. I'd run the exact same bullet if I were you and lean on the gas, BC and ES wont matter at your ranges.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

Jack oconnor said 270 is the best for deer because it has the flat trajectory with tons of power. He said 30 06 is more versatile because it can take 220 grain bullets for african game, and 180 are the best for elk and moose. 7mm was not very popular when he was writing so he doesnt say much about it.

Jack oconnor talks a lot about point blank sight ins. With 270 in 130 grain spitzers, he says to sight so that 275 yards is dead on. That makes 200 3" high and 350 2" low. He says this eliminates hold overs or scope adjustments while being lethal on any big game. Remember those days were long before range finders, so they also called flat shooting cartridges easy to shoot or accurate because being off on range estimate was of less consequence than say 45 70.

If it was me id go 270. Ive killed deer and elk with 130 grain bullets no problem. Less recoil and flatter shooting than 30 06. 7mm rem mag is too much rifle for what your doing. Atleast 2 lbs heavier, atleast 2" longer barrel, and about 4x the recoil. Dont forget 270 is $25 a box vs 60-90 for the 7mm.

I dont mean to sound disrespectful but if you cant get under 100 yard shots on a dairy farm your doing something wrong. I shot an antelope at 55 on open flats last september. Ive only made 2 shots over 200 yards in the last 10 years. I only hunt Wyoming and I shot almost 300 lbs of meat this last fall.

Jack O’Connor’s wife carried a 7x57.

 

[bnewt3]

Jack O’Connor’s wife carried a 7x57.

almost every ounce of me wants to make a your mom joke but i dont know you like that

 

[Q_Sertorius]

almost every ounce of me wants to make a your mom joke but i dont know you like that

Always best to avoid jokes like that with people you don’t know.

My mom is dead. Unfortunately she used a 9mm. No, I am not kidding.

 

[fatlander]

If you take an impartial dive into the ballistics you’ll see that your current rifle has more than enough energy at the ranges you’re talking about.

If you want a new gun, for the sake of buying a new gun, go for it. But you’re not going to find anything magical about the “authority” one of those other guns will have over your current set up. I’d look at the bullets you’re using right now and see if you can find one that dumps more energy into whitetails. You’re probably getting through and through shots now, which is wasting energy into the dirt, instead of the critter.


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[270-300]

Jack O’Connor’s wife carried a 7x57.

He lists several calibers his wife preferred in his book.

 

[Craigo]

Which cartridge for whitetail, inside of 400 yards?

I'm looking at getting a new rifle this spring, for deer hunting. I'm 90% decided on an x-bolt, but can't decide on a cartridge.

The top choices for me are 270, 30-06, and 7mm rem mag. I hunt on a dairy farm, with quite a few different stands, in very different areas. Some days I'm in the woods with tighter shots (10-150 yards), and those same afternoons, I might be in a spot where I can shoot anywhere from 20-400+ yards. I would say 95% of shots are inside 300, 70% are inside 200, and 50% are inside 100.

I want to have some authority when I shoot a deer, at least compared to my 6.5 creed that I currently use. I'm not recoil sensitive, but practicing with a cheaper lower recoiling cartridge is always going to better. However hitting with a bigger cartridge will always be better. Something flat shooting would be nice, but the 30 cal hole would be nice too. See my self induced conundrum?

I think I would love a 280 ackley, but can't get one in an x-bolt. I do reload, so availability of these cartridges isnt very important, and they are all pretty ubiquitous anyway. I know bullet selection and shot placement are more important than the cartridge, but if I'm buying a new rifle, I need to choose one anyway. What would you choose, and why

Which cartridge for whitetail, inside of 400 yards?

I'm looking at getting a new rifle this spring, for deer hunting. I'm 90% decided on an x-bolt, but can't decide on a cartridge.

The top choices for me are 270, 30-06, and 7mm rem mag. I hunt on a dairy farm, with quite a few different stands, in very different areas. Some days I'm in the woods with tighter shots (10-150 yards), and those same afternoons, I might be in a spot where I can shoot anywhere from 20-400+ yards. I would say 95% of shots are inside 300, 70% are inside 200, and 50% are inside 100.

I want to have some authority when I shoot a deer, at least compared to my 6.5 creed that I currently use. I'm not recoil sensitive, but practicing with a cheaper lower recoiling cartridge is always going to better. However hitting with a bigger cartridge will always be better. Something flat shooting would be nice, but the 30 cal hole would be nice too. See my self induced conundrum?

I think I would love a 280 ackley, but can't get one in an x-bolt. I do reload, so availability of these cartridges isnt very important, and they are all pretty ubiquitous anyway. I know bullet selection and shot placement are more important than the cartridge, but if I'm buying a new rifle, I need to choose one anyway. What would you choose, and why?

I shot a vanguard .270 for 30 years and had great success with it. It just kicked like a mule. My longest deer kill with it was maybe 200 yards. In the the last 5 years I have shot a bergara 6.5 creedmoor and have it dialed in. Went to Barbour Creek shooting academy and shot out to 1000 yards hitting 3inch clay pigeons. I have shot does in the ear @ 500 yards and shot a 140” whitetail in the shoulder at 450 yards and dropped it shooting Berger 140 vld hunters.
My most recent build is a 7prc built by my good friend Mr. Don Geraci. Out of Independence La. It is an unbelievably accurate rifle. Haven’t pulled the trigger on any animals yet. Looking forward to reaching out passed 700 yards

 

[user2026]

If you take an impartial dive into the ballistics you’ll see that your current rifle has more than enough energy at the ranges you’re talking about.

If you want a new gun, for the sake of buying a new gun, go for it. But you’re not going to find anything magical about the “authority” one of those other guns will have over your current set up. I’d look at the bullets you’re using right now and see if you can find one that dumps more energy into whitetails. You’re probably getting through and through shots now, which is wasting energy into the dirt, instead of the critter.


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I am not buying a new rifle for the cartridge, but rather because I love my dads xbolt, and have been drooling over one. I figured I would try to get the best cartridge for what I want to do, since I'm buying a new rifle anyway. I also will be able to use my dads 270 dies, which saves a few hundred bucks. I currently use partitions, but I think I will try the swift scirrocco, or a nosler accubond in the new rifle when I get it.

 

[tt_johnsclist]

I voted 30-06 because you said you wanted to see 30 caliber holes. The others will fall short in that regard, but they will all make deer dead, including your 6.5 creed you forgot to include in the poll!

 

[Wolverine270]

Which cartridge for whitetail, inside of 400 yards?

I'm looking at getting a new rifle this spring, for deer hunting. I'm 90% decided on an x-bolt, but can't decide on a cartridge.

The top choices for me are 270, 30-06, and 7mm rem mag. I hunt on a dairy farm, with quite a few different stands, in very different areas. Some days I'm in the woods with tighter shots (10-150 yards), and those same afternoons, I might be in a spot where I can shoot anywhere from 20-400+ yards. I would say 95% of shots are inside 300, 70% are inside 200, and 50% are inside 100.

I want to have some authority when I shoot a deer, at least compared to my 6.5 creed that I currently use. I'm not recoil sensitive, but practicing with a cheaper lower recoiling cartridge is always going to better. However hitting with a bigger cartridge will always be better. Something flat shooting would be nice, but the 30 cal hole would be nice too. See my self induced conundrum?

I think I would love a 280 ackley, but can't get one in an x-bolt. I do reload, so availability of these cartridges isnt very important, and they are all pretty ubiquitous anyway. I know bullet selection and shot placement are more important than the cartridge, but if I'm buying a new rifle, I need to choose one anyway. What would you choose, and why?

270win everything you want and a little less recoil

 

[streamerfish]

I get wanting a new rifle totally...

But you have a 6.5 creed already....

Either go big...7 mag or higher.

Or go small with a 6mm.

Give yourself some variety. The 270 is too close to what you already....