3.5 Ecoboost or not ?

[czgunner]

You only ever see the bad ones lol

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True, but oh so many. LOL.

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[lak2004]

You only ever see the bad ones lol

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That and probably poor maintenance on the owners part?

 

[Bzn_Hunter]

I’ve had 2 now. No issues. Solid maintenance and they last.


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[GunsAreFun]

You only ever see the bad ones lol

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That’s why it’s hard to judge this stuff based on anecdotes. Mechanics say they never see Tundras…well, maybe…but that may also be at least partially due to the fact that Tundra only had like 4.5% of the market (using 2019 data to avoid COVID outlier).

In other words, if they hypothetically broke down at the same rates (not saying they do), a mechanic is about 21x more likely to see a Ford, Chevy/GMC, or Dodge than a Toyota.

I’m also skeptical of fanboy opinions. There are a lot of guys on Tundra Crew that will say things like, “Just hit 100,000 miles. Have replaced the starter and had the dreaded cam tower leak but damn I love this truck. I’ll take the 13mpg 5.7 over turbos any day.” I’m exaggerating a bit but not too much. And before anyone jumps on me, keep in mind I had a Tundra for 11.5 years, almost bought another one several times, bought a Titan and then sold it after 3 months keeping the Tundra, and the agonized for a while before switching brands so I’m not shitting on Toyota. I’m just saying opinions from mechanics and others should be taken with a grain of salt. I haven’t found much empirical data on frequency of repairs on vehicles…you’d think that would be readily available with all the data Carfax and others collect…

 

[5MilesBack]

That’s why it’s hard to judge this stuff based on anecdotes. Mechanics say they never see Tundras…well, maybe…but that may also be at least partially due to the fact that Tundra only had like 4.5% of the market (using 2019 data to avoid COVID outlier).

It may just be a local thing, but every time I leave my house the majority of pickups I see are Tundra's, and I see a bunch of them. Used to be Tacoma's, but I see way more Tundra's these days.

 

[PaulIV]

That’s why it’s hard to judge this stuff based on anecdotes. Mechanics say they never see Tundras…well, maybe…but that may also be at least partially due to the fact that Tundra only had like 4.5% of the market (using 2019 data to avoid COVID outlier).

In other words, if they hypothetically broke down at the same rates (not saying they do), a mechanic is about 21x more likely to see a Ford, Chevy/GMC, or Dodge than a Toyota.

I’m also skeptical of fanboy opinions. There are a lot of guys on Tundra Crew that will say things like, “Just hit 100,000 miles. Have replaced the starter and had the dreaded cam tower leak but damn I love this truck. I’ll take the 13mpg 5.7 over turbos any day.” I’m exaggerating a bit but not too much. And before anyone jumps on me, keep in mind I had a Tundra for 11.5 years, almost bought another one several times, bought a Titan and then sold it after 3 months keeping the Tundra, and the agonized for a while before switching brands so I’m not shitting on Toyota. I’m just saying opinions from mechanics and others should be taken with a grain of salt. I haven’t found much empirical data on frequency of repairs on vehicles…you’d think that would be readily available with all the data Carfax and others collect…

Curious what you didn’t like about the Titan. There are some really great deals on them currently and they are the last v8 without auto start stop or afm so am considering one.

 

[Article 4]

Have had 2 of them. One in a Lariat and one in a Raptor. Neither of them has 100k before I traded or sold them and neither of them required a lick of repair outside normal maint.

Both pulled fine - heaviest I pulled was maybe 8000 lbs here and there and mostly 3000 lbs or so on a regular basis with toys, boat, SxS trailer etc... Towing they got about 12 mph.

Neither also got better MPG than about 14 or 15 at 80 MPH too. Not like many trucks do but the 10 speed really doesn't do much with that motor in gears 8 through 10.

 

[GunsAreFun]

Curious what you didn’t like about the Titan. There are some really great deals on them currently and they are the last v8 without auto start stop or afm so am considering one.

You definitely get a lot of truck for the money with Titans. I got a fully loaded (literally every option) PRO-4X…same year and mileage as the F-150 XLT (so mid range trim) I just bought for about the same price. It was a very sharp looking truck inside and out.

There were five main things that I didn’t like:
1. The backseat is a good bit smaller than a Tundra. I knew this going into it and was prepared to live with it until I went to put my kids car seats in and realized the back door opened probably 20 degrees less than other trucks. This meant that loading anything in the backseats from groceries to suitcases was very difficult and everything (even a sack of groceries) had to be lifted over the car seat. Forget putting totes or coolers back there like I did with the Tundra.
2. It did not get near the gas mileage it was rated for. It should have been a 3mpg improvement over the Tundra, but it was at best 0.5 mpg better on the highway and sometimes worse in the city.
3. With the moonroof, my head was basically touching the ceiling at my preferred seat position. If I hit a bump, my head would hit the roof.
4. It only has a 26 gallon tank and no aftermarket option to add another. I knew this going in and didn’t love the idea, but thought it would be less of an issue if it actually got close to posted mpg.
5. The cruise control was really annoying going down hill. Hard to describe but it would struggle to maintain speed…kind of pulsing the truck..slowing it down ever so slightly and then speeding it back up. I basically had to turn it off down any hills, which is often where I drive.

If I didn’t have the Tundra as a reference point or didn’t have young kids, most of those issues wouldn’t have been noticed or as big of a deal. However, when the old truck is more functional than the new, the new has to go.

Fortunately, I shopped very long and hard and got such a great deal that I was able to sell it in a couple days for what I paid for it, and then bought the F-150 within six months of that to get the sales tax credit. So, I literally drove the Titan for three months for only the price of gas.

I do miss the ventilated seats. Those are amazing after a workout. I was really spoiled with the 360 camera so that was a must when shopping for F-150s. It didn’t have great approach or departure angles so I was curious how it was going to do on Forest Service roads, but it had a pretty beefy front skid plate and TFL Truck had taken it down some roads much rougher than I’d ever do and it did fine.

 

[GunsAreFun]

Have had 2 of them. One in a Lariat and one in a Raptor. Neither of them has 100k before I traded or sold them and neither of them required a lick of repair outside normal maint.

Both pulled fine - heaviest I pulled was maybe 8000 lbs here and there and mostly 3000 lbs or so on a regular basis with toys, boat, SxS trailer etc... Towing they got about 12 mph.

Neither also got better MPG than about 14 or 15 at 80 MPH too. Not like many trucks do but the 10 speed really doesn't do much with that motor in gears 8 through 10.

What years did you have?

 

[Article 4]

What years did you have?

Had a 17 Lariat and a 20 Raptor

 

[Oilfieldmiller]

I have two. 2018 transit van and 2020 f-150. Replaced turbo on van at 120k miles. Trk has 120k on it also and max towing package. Besides the one turbo, both have done great, lots of power for those vehicles, and both tow better than other 1/2 ton pickups I’ve had in past.


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[Thinkingman]

Part of it was that I’ve had it for 11.5 years and was just ready for something different. The small gas tank and poor mileage got annoying when taking trips. I seriously considered 2020-21 Tundras, but I would basically only gain 12 extra gallons in the tank and adaptive cruise control while losing tons of interior storage due to the backseat design change so upgrading to a newer tundra didn’t make sense.

To be clear, my Tundra hasn’t been perfect. The front differential needed replacing around 75k miles. It was covered under an extended warranty I bought, but it was like a $2,500 repair back in ~2017. It has slow starts in the winter due to a bad flex fuel sensor that is eventually going to kill the pump. The fuel pump control relay went out. It was fixed with a reset, but I started carrying a spare with me in case it happened again. Replaced a ball joint. Replaced an axle…maybe two due to failed seals. The bed of the truck is rusting horribly, which is basically guaranteed on any 2007-2013 in the Midwest or north. That was going to be a $3-5k repair or replacement eventually. It was still usable, but maybe only a few years before the bolt connections were done and it wasn’t safe anymore. Not Toyotas fault, but the aftermarket CarPlay stereo was going out so that was going to be a $1,200-1,500 replacement.

I got a dirt cheap Ford Platinum extended warranty for 6 more years plus a lifetime powertrain warranty through the dealer. If the ford gives me problems, I’ll get them fixed under the warranty and then move on if I don’t trust the truck. Have friends with F-150s that all have over 100k of problem free miles…either absolutely no repairs or just a couple small things. Figured I’d give it a shot.

People are brainwashed to worship Toyota.
Your experience is not uncommon.
I have shared many times my issues with my 2006 Tacoma and still feel some guilt over the poor sucker that overpaid for that thing while his bros kept telling him how reliable and long-lived they are.
My 2015 3.5 Eco F150 just turned 173k. Only repairs have been broken exhaust manifolds, functional but loud at cold startup.
Boost control valve cost $50 for the part and an hour of fiddling with my basic mechanical skills.
The car still rides and drives like new.
I cannot justify looking at new because this one does everything really well at 173k.
I have 33" Falken AT3w E-rated and get maybe 17.5 MPG with a bunch of unnecessary stuff and a canopy plus beefy front bumper on it. I did install Eibach front springs for leveling, which probably doesn't help mileage.
I couldn't be happier with my F150 after 9 years of Toyota.

 

[Thinkingman]

It may just be a local thing, but every time I leave my house the majority of pickups I see are Tundra's, and I see a bunch of them. Used to be Tacoma's, but I see way more Tundra's these days.

I live in Montana and you NEVER see Toyotas doing work.
They parade around with their foglights on with unused overlanding gear on display.
The Big 3 are the ones doing work.

 

[Thinkingman]

Yea i quoted someone $3500 to replace all 4 lines and the about fell out.
Then had to explain to them what it takes to even get to them.
The last ones i replaced on a 2017 Expedition i already had the transmission out so it wasnt near as a bad.
But just those small issues and i have zero want for anything like that.
Id rather keep putting gas and oil in my old beater silverado.

Last year, I got both exhaust manifolds done with oil and coolant lines for under $2K.
In through the fender liner.
?

 

[5MilesBack]

I live in Montana and you NEVER see Toyotas doing work.
They parade around with their foglights on with unused overlanding gear on display.
The Big 3 are the ones doing work.

The guys that need them to do work, buy a work truck. I have two Toyota's and an F-350. They all have a purpose. I tried towing just 5k lbs with my Tundra, and I'll stick with the F-350 for towing......big difference. But just for longevity and reliability across all of Toyota's lines, the numbers don't lie.

 

[KenLee]

Yea i quoted someone $3500 to replace all 4 lines and the about fell out.
Then had to explain to them what it takes to even get to them.
The last ones i replaced on a 2017 Expedition i already had the transmission out so it wasnt near as a bad.
But just those small issues and i have zero want for anything like that.
Id rather keep putting gas and oil in my old beater silverado.

The more I look at newer half tons, I'm considering restoring interior and having my 99 Classic (sounded better than 98 leftover I guess) GMC painted.

 

[RDF1]

Last year, I got both exhaust manifolds done with oil and coolant lines for under $2K.
In through the fender liner.
?

If you take the turbos and exhaust manifolds off it is easier to get to but one broken bolt and it gets depressing.
I hate working on the Fords so i do quote it on the higher side.

 

[RDF1]

The more I look at newer half tons, I'm considering restoring interior and having my 99 Classic (sounded better than 98 leftover I guess) GMC painted.

Yes i dont mind patching my old truck to keep it going. I like the 99-02 GMT800 trucks the most.