22lr Handguns-Reviews, Recommendations, and Trouble Shooting

I grew up shooting S&W target revolvers (k-22s) and Ruger MKIIs. There were others along the way, of course, but I stuck with a MKII, despite its drawbacks. I'll freely concede the superior ergos of the MKIVs now. I'd also be quite happy with a browning buckmark if that's what I had, based on the ones I've shot before.

With aging eyes I almost gave up pistol shooting completely outside of test firing, occasional function testing of my CCWs, and the thinnest basic proficiency drills. But I've kept it up somewhat just to start training my kids, and after my eye surgery a month ago I'm back in a position to see pistol sights well enough to actually enjoy shooting again and I just got my MKII Ruger back from being threaded and the front sight set back to clear the threads. I'm still in the giddy child 'haha gun go PfttPfttPftt' stage of getting to know it again, with a DAM up front.

I also have a S&W M&P 22Compact. I bought it as a training analog to the various M&P variants I and my wife carry as CCWs and that my kids will learn on as time goes on. I enjoy it, too, but the trigger is typical 'polymer pistol' level whereas the MKII is more akin to a 1911 and precision shooting is much easier with the latter.

(I carried a 1911 for many years, still own a couple, no longer CCW them outside of very rare occasions, for reasons outside the scope of this thread).

Ammo: Both of the aforementioned semi-auto .22lrs have been 100% on feeding/extraction with everything I've put in them from CCI Quiet up to Winchester Power-Max 42grHP, which is what I'd keep in them for defensive use, if I had some reason to say '22lr' and 'defensive' in the same breath. I'm sure the suppressor is making my MKII dirtier than normal and I'm sure it'll need cleaning at some point but I've only had it back ~10 days and it hasn't gunked up to the point of failure yet. During the rimfire scarcity and neckbearding days a decade ago I stockpiled whatever I could find when I could find it and now find myself with all sorts of lower-grade .22lr but thus far all of it goes boom and has always cycled both of these guns, though I haven't retested any of the cheaper stuff in the MKII now that it's threaded. I do know that the cheaper .22lr stuff can be absolutely terrible in terms of velocity variation and I'm pretty sure Remington Thunderbolts use wet grass clippings for powder and I expect they'll dirty the guns up PDQ when I start shooting them up again. Right now I'm working through a bulk box of Eley Action and a bulk box of Federal Automatch. The thunderbolts will likely be shot last.

The glaring exception to reliability has been the M&P22C - every several shots, the slide lock will engage before the magazine is empty. Lubing that area helps greatly but it's still a problem and an annoying one. I haven't tried to fix it, yet, but need to. This isn't a feeding or extraction malfunction, which is good, but it's still an issue, just one that has never risen to the top of my list of things to fix.

I'd love to get a red dot of some sort for the MKII. I'd prefer something that would go into the rear sight dovetail but am not opposed to getting the top d/t'ed for a mount plate. I'd freely take (budget) suggestions for that if anyone has them.

As for usage, I am almost completely a plinker now. I do still perform some basic drills from time to time but on a much lower scale than in years past.
 
It’s a pair of 22/45s for me. One has been rebuilt with a TacSol 6” threaded iron sight barrel and a Volquartsen frame and bolt. It’s my target/practice pistol.

The other is a Ruger 22/45 Lite with a Volquartsen accurization kit that lives with a vortex red dot and Jessie’s girl suppressor as coyote/rodent repellent around the property. Both are accurate and dead nuts reliable.
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I have the $349 Ruger Mark IV 22/45 with an el cheepo CMMG can, Volquartsen accurizing kit, and a Dawson front site. It likes the Federal 36gr bulk blue box ammo. I do a base lube with CherryBalmz rimfire remedy and squirt with Rem Oil whenever it starts feeling sluggish.

I've killed a few skunks and squirrels with. It's main purpose is allowing me to practice in the back yard without having to schedule around nap-times.

Accuracy is good, the Volquartsen trigger is a little to light for my tastes. The lube combo has fixed 99% of initial ammo pickiness.

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another fan of the 22/45 SSE. But muchly prefer a rearmount for the dot...

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1. ruger 22/45 mk iv 4"
2. Picked it via familarity - grew up shooting a mk ii a little. I use it to practice and for fun - a suppressed 22 is hard to beat for entertainment/cost ratio. Ive always figured trigger pulls are trigger pulls
3. With the vq bolt upgrades (extractor + spring) ive had none. Around 1k down range of multiple flavors. I didnt have any prior to the bolt upgrades but i just figured id add them when getting the trigger.
4. Not applicable.

I enjoy shooting mark ivs - theyre similarish to 1911s - the only drawback is the mag capacity.

I continue to feel someone would be filthy rich making lowers (that arent 600 + like tandemkross) for ruger mark ivs.
 
Great thread! I'll second the Hammerli Forge 1911 22! As mentioned in the 1911 thread, mine ran for 450 rds with one FTE late in the session. Bulk Winchester 333 ammo and some Federal auto match. POI was dead on. I have since upgraded to Dawson front FO and target rear sights, and a stainless guide rod. I'll report back after I get it out for more reps!
 
I also have a Ruger SR22 that was given to me. It's been a fantastic little pistol! Eats whatever ammo I put in it with absolutely zero fuss! Small frame so it's very kid friendly for training! Also have an Adams Arms 22 slide for my Glock 22. Fun to shoot but picky as hell. Luckily it prefers the cheap stuff (Golden Bullets).
 
I knew Huntsman would be along shorty. I am simply floored there is anything left alive in his county to shoot!

I am older and my .22LR handguns are more tools than trainers, but I did purchase most with Training in mind.

I've been in Law Enforcement over 29 years. Instructed and taught 100s of people mechanics. Women and complete Newbs can be challenging.

And maybe analogous to Fly Fishing....most people want to CAST the fly like a traditional weighted lure and really F things up.

Handguns actually take SKILL to shoot well vs putting the crosshair on stuff and tapping a rifle trigger. It's surprising how much movement and influence folks can impart between a trigger press and a bullet exiting the muzzle. People can over complicate it VERY quickly.

So I have a handful of 22LR pistols.

A fan of Buckmarks, but mine are NOT reliable like my experience in Rugers.

And I paid way too much last year for a Smith 617 4". But that one goes bang every time and is a fan favorite with new women shooters. 10 round cylinder with the first two chambers holding CCI shotshells for rattlesnakes, it's my wife's favorite pistol by a wide margin.

Not a fan of Aguila .22 ammo. CCI and Win for general accuracy and purpose.

You'd be surprised that 6" plates can be a challenge with schitty ammo at 15 yards for new shooters. I prefer them to run better ammo that mates to the particular pistol.
 
Regarding ammo selection and reliability - with semi-auto .22s being blowback operated, cycling reliability is directly related to how much energy is applied into the moving parts.

The more energy that gets applied into the bolt or slide, the more reliable that cycling's going to be. The bolt/slide will move backward faster, helping with ejection and putting energy into the recoil spring, which then means it gets hurled forward faster and with more energy/momentum by that spring, helping with stripping the fresh round off the mag and chambering it firmly.

Both bullet mass and powder charge have major effects on cycling reliability in blowback guns.

The heavier the bullet, and the heavier the charge, the more energy gets applied into the moving parts. The nuance in this, is that the heavier bullets are inside the bore just a split-second longer, and are essentially plugging it up - making the gasses apply energy into the bolt/slide just a bit longer. That increases bolt/slide velocity backward.

Of the 3 ammo types below, the 40gr Mini-Mags typically give the best reliability - even though they're the slowest of the three, and going a lot slower than the Stingers. The stingers have more powder energy, but the bullets are a lot lighter and get out of the bore quicker, resulting in less energy getting applied to the moving parts. For cycling reliability, the 36gr mini-mags are generally the second most reliable of the three. The more mass in a gun's moving parts and the more friction surface it has, the more this will all show up. All three tend to burn more on the cleaner side of most .22lr loadings.

With most .22lr semi-autos, if you can find a 40gr bullet moving above 1200fps, you'll generally do pretty well.




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