.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[Pharmseller]

Rifles are made to SAAMI and CIP approved specifications. Factory ammunition is made to SAAMI and CIP approved specifications. Rifles are made to work with factory ammo. Magazines are designed to work with factory ammo and have minimal issues loading/feeding factory ammo.

If you want to use custom ammunition built outside of SAAMI/CIP specifications, you will need to do custom work to get these things to work in a factory rifle. If a little magazine work is all you need to do, consider it the price you pay.

Using the 88 eldm over using the 77tmk in a 223 is the same as using a 230 over a 200 in a 308. It really is a huge jump in weight and length (~15%) which most factory rifles are not set up for even if they have the right twist barrel. Whether or not the cartridge has enough horsepower to effectively launch the larger bullet is an entirely different discussion.

Jay

Good point.

88 grains is a lot to ask out of a 20” .223.




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[Kaleb]

Thing is the ctr mags work fine so they could offer a magazine for the short ar length rounds that still allow you load 75’s and 88’s. But yea I get it most people shoot factory ammo and making tweaks for those who don’t is part of it. No biggie.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

Good point.

88 grains is a lot to ask out of a 20” .223.




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Yes, one thing that makes me sad about my .22-250 is that it was built by an older gentleman before the heavier bullets became popular. So, it has a 1:12 twist. It’s built on a Mauser action though, so if I ever wanted to put on a faster twist barrel, I’d have lots of room for longer COAL.


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[Pharmseller]

Yes, one thing that makes me sad about my .22-250 is that it was built by an older gentleman before the heavier bullets became popular. So, it has a 1:12 twist. It’s built on a Mauser action though, so if I ever wanted to put on a faster twist barrel, I’d have lots of room for longer COAL.


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I recently swapped out a 1-10” Tikka barrel for a 1-8” so I could shoot 75 ELDM. It really worked out.




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[BigNate]

One was a 16.1" DDM4 CHF gov with NXS 1-4
One was a Hodge Defense MOD 2 14.5" pinned CHF FN barrel with NX8
One was a KAC 11.5" CHF KAC barrel with NX8

All were 1/7 twist CHF Chrome lined.

I find this really interesting. I have a 16" and a 11.3" both 1:7 and they both shoot the same ammo into less than an inch. I didn't really do much "development" just picked 8208 and worked up until I started seeing flatter primers and lite swipe marks then backed off. This was for the 16, then tried them in the 11.3.

 

[ElPollo]

You can kill alot of things with a .223 but that doesn't mean it's a good idea. I'd keep the .44 rifle, it would work a whole lot better.

Just because one is fatter than the other doesn’t necessarily mean anything. The wound channels produced by a 223 with TMKs or ELDMs are significantly larger than those produced by any 44 mag rifle and bullet combo. I would take the 223 over the 44 any day for anything in North America.

 

[Pharmseller]

Just because one is fatter than the other doesn’t necessarily mean anything. The wound channels produced by a 223 with TMKs or ELDMs are significantly larger than those produced by any 44 mag rifle and bullet combo. I would take the 223 over the 44 any day for anything in North America.

Looky here, chicken man, quit inserting facts and logic into an emotional argument. You’re messing things up.




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[ElPollo]

Looky here, chicken man, quit inserting facts and logic into an emotional argument. You’re messing things up.




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My bad. Facts and logic tend to piss my wife off too. Just can’t help myself. I guess I need counseling and sensitivity training.

 

[MEdude]

Looky here, chicken man, quit inserting facts and logic into an emotional argument. You’re messing things up.




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My bad. Facts and logic tend to piss my wife off too. Just can’t help myself. I guess I need counseling and sensitivity training.

Is it possible your wife has an “online personal” (read “Pharmseller”) that you are unaware of?