.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[mt terry d]

I have read and been following this thread for a while now, but still a novice on the whole bullet thing. Somebody dumb it down for me and tell me which bullet I should be looking at for whitetail sized game out of a suppressed sbr (barrel 10.5 or shorter), at shot distances inside 100-150 yards (Prob more like inside 50), with a mindset of more "knockdown power" or blood trail in mind (thicker, harder tracking woods). Have no problem at these distances of shooting a big buck in the neck if that's what needed for the knockdown power aspect but would like good performance on lung shot deer as my 7 year old son will be using it too. TIA

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[Tahr]

Doesn’t anybody have any more 55gr data points to share? I would post some but I had to swap scopes on my Ruger Ranch and I haven’t re-sighted it yet. Privi Partisan? Remington High Performance? Federal Power Shock? Winchester PP? Come on.

55grn Game King. 250 yards. 3,130 MV. It bolted about 25 yards after hit and folded.
This bullet is a solid performer when used with care. Lung shots can be relied on for deer. There will almost always be a death rush.



Entry at rear of shoulder


Exit ribs off side


Projectile from under skin


Same bullet at 100 yards. They go straight down if you pop 'em right.


A high shoulder shot one at 325 yards. It went down quite quickly as I recall. I've never lost a deer with the 55 grn GK. And have shot a few with them.

 

[clperry]

77 TMK
2370 fps impact velocity at 105 yards
Watched everything happen through the scope including the plum of blood from the pass through. Ran 60 yards with a quality blood trail.

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[Pescetism]

223 75 gr RMR HPBT 160 yards estimate impact 2,450 fps. Abnormally fat WT doe ran 75 yards no blood trail or exit. Chest cavity was full of blood but plugged with fat.

 

[Pescetism]

223 75 gr Gold Dot 150 yards estimate impact 2,475 fps. Shot high hitting the very top of the lungs and bottom of the spine. The exit was smaller than expected after hitting bone, maybe 3/4". No rib hit on entry side.

 

[lhbackcountry]

Frontal shot roughly 45 yards or so. 77tmk 223 ruger gen 2. She didn’t take a step as seen by the ground next her.

 

[Tahr]

223 75 gr Gold Dot 150 yards estimate impact 2,475 fps. Shot high hitting the very top of the lungs and bottom of the spine. The exit was smaller than expected after hitting bone, maybe 3/4". No rib hit on entry side.

Thats good lung wrecking. A step up from the ordinary, including some of the 77TMK.

 

[ResearchinStuff]

55grn Game King. 250 yards. 3,130 MV. It bolted about 25 yards after hit and folded.
This bullet is a solid performer when used with care. Lung shots can be relied on for deer. There will almost always be a death rush.

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Entry at rear of shoulder
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Exit ribs off side
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Projectile from under skin
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Same bullet at 100 yards. They go straight down if you pop 'em right.
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A high shoulder shot one at 325 yards. It went down quite quickly as I recall. I've never lost a deer with the 55 grn GK. And have shot a few with them.
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Are you using the 55gr hollowpoint gameking, or the lead tip?

 

[Thegman]

I didn't come up with that figure, it is the energy a 77 gr. Tipped Matchking has at 1800 fps. That appears to be the commonly accepted threshold of this thread to decide max permissible range.

Really?

"So what do you think creates these wounds? Without mass and velocity they would not happen. KE is just a calculation making an attempt to describe the work a moving object is capable of. 1800 fps, 77 gr. bullet possess a calculated 558 foot pounds of KE."

As inferred by another poster, a 285 .338 eldm with 558 ft lbs is no bueno. A 73 .224 eldm with 558 ft-lbs muy bueno. The difference? Oh, yeah, impact velocity. KE didn't help with that problem, and despite repeating KE over and over, you still haven't attempted to use it to describe jack s--t. Backtracking what you've posted, all we have is bullet construction and...impact velocity . You've yet to demonstrate how KE is helping to determine results. Yes, ultimately it's responsible for the results, but not particularly useful in determining results.

 

[kswaterfowl]

Don't egg him on. We finally got back to .223 success pics.

 

[JJ3]

Thats good lung wrecking. A step up from the ordinary, including some of the 77TMK.

Does the 75 gold dot exist anymore though? Haven’t seen it for purchase in years

 

[bcmntgoathunter.]

Does the 75 gold dot exist anymore though? Haven’t seen it for purchase in years

It's listed on their website, I grabbed 3 boxes of the loaded 62 grain gold dot and it's a solid 3/4 moa load out of my stock tikka but once it gets back from it's ackly imp treatment I'll be trying the 75 eldm and 80.5 berger fullbore

 

[JJ3]

73 eldm Small doe at 60y launched from 12” ar15 suppressed. Bad shot as I thought she was broadside but quartering to…it was pretty dark. Entered behind shoulder ran through guts about 20” did not exit. Found bullet in guts.

Zero blood at shot. Ran 20yd and crashed down the north slope about 80y. Hauling back up was tough. CNS shot are much better for my terrain but these always work.

 

[Schmo]

quartering to…it was pretty dark. Entered behind shoulder ran through guts about 20” did not exit. Found bullet in guts.

“But with small calibers we can only take perfectly broadside shots”.

 

[np307]

Does the 75 gold dot exist anymore though? Haven’t seen it for purchase in years

I emailed speer about it and was told "we're still making it but we can't tell you when or how it might be available"

 

[mt100gr.]

“But with small calibers we can only take perfectly broadside shots”.

It's because of "the angles", don't you know?!?!

 

[Pescetism]

Does the 75 gold dot exist anymore though? Haven’t seen it for purchase in years

Pulled bullets are available from time to time. I haven't seen any in a while but I haven't been looking either.

 

[FredH]

Really?

"So what do you think creates these wounds? Without mass and velocity they would not happen. KE is just a calculation making an attempt to describe the work a moving object is capable of. 1800 fps, 77 gr. bullet possess a calculated 558 foot pounds of KE."

As inferred by another poster, a 285 .338 eldm with 558 ft lbs is no bueno. A 73 .224 eldm with 558 ft-lbs muy bueno. The difference? Oh, yeah, impact velocity. KE didn't help with that problem, and despite repeating KE over and over, you still haven't attempted to use it to describe jack s--t. Backtracking what you've posted, all we have is bullet construction and...impact velocity . You've yet to demonstrate how KE is helping to determine results. Yes, ultimately it's responsible for the results, but not particularly useful in determining results.

You can continue being FOS if you want. You seem unable to separate wound characteristics from KE or that bullet construction has a great deal to do with the application of KE. You must suffer from some sort of mental block, possibly brainwashing. A .357 180 gr. Hornady XTP at 1200 fps, designed to expand at that velocity and less is a very good deer killer. I never said velocity has no bearing. Without it KE cannot be calculated.

 

[eric1115]

Having said the same thing many times I find it odd others keep repeating it back to me. KE is a calculation to describe the work a projectile has the potential for. The construction of said projectile is what decides the application of said work. So yes the calculated KE does mean something.

It might mean something, but it tells us nothing about what the bullet is going to do.

Once you know bullet construction, weight, and impact velocity, what does the KE number add to your knowledge of what it will do?

 

[Drenalin]

It might mean something, but it tells us nothing about what the bullet is going to do.

Once you know bullet construction, weight, and impact velocity, what does the KE number add to your knowledge of what it will do?

If he were able to answer that, he’d have done so one of the many other times he’s been asked. Stop feeding the troll and let’s get this thread back on track!