.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[AZ_Hunter]

My original plan was a suppressed rifle for my daughter to get into hunting. After reading this thread I have decided to go with a 223. For the hassle and cost of a suppressor, I am now questioning if the juice would be worth the squeeze for such a light recoiling round.

Yes. Get one. Kids will enjoy shooting and get better when using a can. The blast reduction makes a big difference in building good habits.

 

[bcmntgoathunter.]

Picked up a nightforce 2.5x10x42 for my tikka 223 can't wait to get it mounted and shoot it also got my mountain tactical .223 mag in the mail so I can load out longer.and a kg of n540 and 1000 fed small rifle primers

 

[Billy Goat]

Ok say we have two different 77 grain bullets pushed to the same velocity. One that penetrates deeply and one that makes a shallower but wider disruption of material. If we had a media such as modeling clay that doesn't collapse upon itself and filled the voids caused by the two bullets with a liquid and then measured that liquid's weight it should be the same.

I know this is a few days old, but I can't let it go.


A baseball has a volume of 12 3/4 cubic inches. I think that would signify a pretty small wound.

A golf ball is 1.68 cubic inches.


A .224 bullet, that doesn't open or tumble, would need to travel over 3 1/2 feet to equal the volume of a golf ball, assuming a .224" hole.

Let's say a .224 fmj caliber bullet rips a hole that's 1/2" in diameter, it would need to travel 5 1/2 feet to equal the volume of a baseball.


I don't make it a practice to measure wound channel volume, but I don't think you can just say (X) weight is going to create a void this volume irrespective of bullet construction.


There's always different efficiencies in form factor. It's not as easy as saying everything is equal.


It was oversimplifying a situation got us here, with a random KE # that is supposed to be adequate. When bullet technology wasn't that different, it was likely more accurate. With the wide range of bullets we currently have, it's just more than some amount of energy gets you there.

 

[FredH]

I know this is a few days old, but I can't let it go.


A baseball has a volume of 12 3/4 cubic inches. I think that would signify a pretty small wound.

A golf ball is 1.68 cubic inches.


A .224 bullet, that doesn't open or tumble, would need to travel over 3 1/2 feet to equal the volume of a golf ball, assuming a .224" hole.

Let's say a .224 fmj caliber bullet rips a hole that's 1/2" in diameter, it would need to travel 5 1/2 feet to equal the volume of a baseball.


I don't make it a practice to measure wound channel volume, but I don't think you can just say (X) weight is going to create a void this volume irrespective of bullet construction.


There's always different efficiencies in form factor. It's not as easy as saying everything is equal.


It was oversimplifying a situation got us here, with a random KE # that is supposed to be adequate. When bullet technology wasn't that different, it was likely more accurate. With the wide range of bullets we currently have, it's just more than some amount of energy gets you there.

Your math is off by a lot. A 22 bullet that neither tumbled or open would open a wider channel than .224 until it came to a stop. However in the interest of widening your understanding.

Kinetic energy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Billy Goat]

Your math is off by a lot. However in the interest of widening your understanding.

Kinetic energy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

My math isn't off. Spheres and pipe are pretty easy to determine volume of.


Think what you want bud.

 

[fwafwow]

My math isn't off. Spheres and pipe are pretty easy to determine volume of.


Think what you want bud.

I don’t think he understands

 

[Billy Goat]

I don’t think he understands

Using a formula that developed potential energy, versus the dynamics of different materials and the way they interact with media at velocity.

What's heavier, dump truck with 20 ton of rock or 20 ton of feathers?
That should be his question.


But no, equal energy=same hole.

 

[FredH]

My math isn't off. Spheres and pipe are pretty easy to determine volume of.


Think what you want bud.

However a bullet under speed will create a wider channel than it's diameter until it stops or nearly stops. 5 1/2 feet won't be needed. Yes a baseball has the volume of 12.77. Significance?

 

[FredH]

Using a formula that developed potential energy, versus the dynamics of different materials and the way they interact with media at velocity.

What's heavier, dump truck with 20 ton of rock or 20 ton of feathers?
That should be his question.


But no, equal energy=same hole.

20 tons of truck and 20 tons of feathers weigh the same. Any Idea how you would get 20 tons of feathers to 60 miles an hour? On a train?

 

[Billy Goat]

However a bullet under speed will create a wider channel than it's diameter until it stops or nearly stops. 5 1/2 feet won't be needed. Yes a baseball has the volume of 12.77. Significance?

That's why I gave a .224 bullet a .50 diameter.

I'm saying the premise is way off. A 77tmk creates a wound bigger than a baseball, more like a football.


But with what you said, all 100 gr bullets impacting at 2500 fps will create the same wound volume. That's just not true.

Bullet reaction is what controls the wound volume.