.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[ResearchinStuff]

Not what they were banned for

 

[rclouse79]

Not what they were banned for

I hate it when my attempts at humor fall flat. I will keep trying, nobody likes a quitter.

 

[ztc92]

Did you do 1/2 or 5/8 threads? I contacted a local gunsmith that was recommended, and they told me to bring the gun down to be measured. I am going to bring lots of pictures from this thread so they can see what other people have done.

I have played with 3 tikkas, here’s what I can tell you.
- My 223 T3x lite is threaded 1/2 x 28 at 20”. I use an adapter to make it 5/8 x 24 and that works great.
- My 6.5 Creedmore T3x lite is threaded 5/8 x 24 at 18”. There is almost no shoulder but it works fine with direct thread suppressor. Tried a muzzle device (Xeno system) with some odd first round impacts, still trying to understand what happened there).
- Recently picked up a .308 barrel from a T3x lite and spun it onto a Tikka action. That barrel was threaded 1/2 x 28 and cut to 20”. I added an adapter to make it 5/8 x 24 and it worked great.

For simplicity, I’d go with 5/8 x 24 for any barrels I have cut/thread, but if your smith or you are worried about the lack of shoulder, than going 1/2 x 28 or 9/16 x 24 and using an adapter to get to 5/8 x 24 is a very easy alternative that has worked fine for me and others I know.

 

[rclouse79]

I have played with 3 tikkas, here’s what I can tell you.
- My 223 T3x lite is threaded 1/2 x 28 at 20”. I use an adapter to make it 5/8 x 24 and that works great.
- My 6.5 Creedmore T3x lite is threaded 5/8 x 24 at 18”. There is almost no shoulder but it works fine with direct thread suppressor. Tried a muzzle device (Xeno system) with some odd first round impacts, still trying to understand what happened there).
- Recently picked up a .308 barrel from a T3x lite and spun it onto a Tikka action. That barrel was threaded 1/2 x 28 and cut to 20”. I added an adapter to make it 5/8 x 24 and it worked great.

For simplicity, I’d go with 5/8 x 24 for any barrels I have cut/thread, but if your smith or you are worried about the lack of shoulder, than going 1/2 x 28 or 9/16 x 24 and using an adapter to get to 5/8 x 24 is a very easy alternative that has worked fine for me and others I know.

Thanks for the info!

 

[rclouse79]

That wouldn't help you.

Red heads aren't to be trusted, especially the ones with fake parts that like to show them off.

The red head comments brought the "hot-crazy" matrix to mind. If you have not seen it and are in the mood for a laugh, give it a watch.

 

[WIDrake]

Figure it out. Do some testing, use something quantifiable that will satisfy those with a limited ability to grasp. do it with identical pieces of mass and then do it with objects of different mass but the same calculated KE drawn from velocity and mass. Good luck finding someone here that has the ability to grasp the concept.

So now we're to the point of insulting intelligence of people because KE does not matter and instead you're going to pretend to be on a high horse and more intelligent? At what point in an animal dying did the bullet fail because it didn't have enough energy? At what point is an animal more dead when shot with a tougher, faster, larger bullet that exits compared to say a lighter, slower, more frangible bullet that doesn't exit the off side of an animal?

 

[FredH]

So now we're to the point of insulting intelligence of people because KE does not matter and instead you're going to pretend to be on a high horse and more intelligent? At what point in an animal dying did the bullet fail because it didn't have enough energy? At what point is an animal more dead when shot with a tougher, faster, larger bullet that exits compared to say a lighter, slower, more frangible bullet that doesn't exit the off side of an animal?

I said good luck. Your comment has nothing to do with quantifying KE.

 

[Shraggs]

So now we're to the point of insulting intelligence of people because KE does not matter and instead you're going to pretend to be on a high horse and more intelligent? At what point in an animal dying did the bullet fail because it didn't have enough energy? At what point is an animal more dead when shot with a tougher, faster, larger bullet that exits compared to say a lighter, slower, more frangible bullet that doesn't exit the off side of an animal?

FredH is an absolute troll, and insulting.

 

[FredH]

FredH is an absolute troll, and insulting.

Hah you seem to prove his point. How have you been insulted by my posts?

 

[FRANKBUCK]

I’m not a big magnum guy, but the odds I took a .223 elk hunting (even with say 88grainers) is about zero percent...I elk hunt big roadless broken wilderness...have no interest in watching a big bull take its death run down to the bottom of a hell hole if a larger cartridge would improve my odds of putting him down right there.

I agree 120%. The .223 has its place. Using it for large game isn't one of them in my opinion.

 

[Reddish]

The red head comments brought the "hot-crazy" matrix to mind. If you have not seen it and are in the mood for a laugh, give it a watch.

One of my all time favs…

 

[ElPollo]

@FredH
This may be the time to put the slide rule away and just check out the pictures of carnage in this thread. There are hundreds of them that all convincingly demonstrate that KE is not a great metric for bullet performance on game.

 

[FredH]

@FredH
This may be the time to put the slide rule away and just check out the pictures of carnage in this thread. There are hundreds of them that all convincingly demonstrate that KE is not a great metric for bullet performance on game.

So what do you think creates these wounds? Without mass and velocity they would not happen. KE is just a calculation making an attempt to describe the work a moving object is capable of. 1800 fps, 77 gr. bullet possess a calculated 558 foot pounds of KE. How the bullet applies that is what matters. Who here says that is not adequate with proper placement? I have studied many of the wounds pictured. Very few compare to what fast opening 130 grain bullets from a 270 create. That does not make the animal any less dead.

 

[ElPollo]

So what do you think creates these wounds? Without mass and velocity they would not happen. KE is just a calculation making an attempt to describe the work a moving object is capable of. 1800 fps, 77 gr. bullet possess a calculated 558 foot pounds of KE. How the bullet applies that is what matters. Who here says that is not adequate with proper placement? I have studied many of the wounds pictured. Very few compare to what fast opening 130 grain bullets from a 270 create. That does not make the animal any less dead.

You are caught up in the math and are missing the bigger picture. You are not calculating or predicting the energy that goes whistling out the back side with your simple deterministic equations. Potential means nothing and the math involved to predict actual energy transfer is way more complex than shooting something with a given bullet and speed and measuring the wound channel it produces. That is what this thread is about. What you are seeing is lots of data showing that the wound channels produced are more than adequate to kill big game up to moose and even a damned walrus. Respectfully, nobody comes here for physics and statistics. Can we get back to talking about hunting and documenting the carnage?

 

[ResearchinStuff]

So what do you think creates these wounds? Without mass and velocity they would not happen. KE is just a calculation making an attempt to describe the work a moving object is capable of. 1800 fps, 77 gr. bullet possess a calculated 558 foot pounds of KE. How the bullet applies that is what matters. Who here says that is not adequate with proper placement? I have studied many of the wounds pictured. Very few compare to what fast opening 130 grain bullets from a 270 create. That does not make the animal any less dead.

Please refrain from posting until you can identify an animal that is infinite in any dimension, the entire premise of your argument that wounds are equal for equal ke bullets hinges on it.

 

[TaperPin]

Hah you seem to prove his point. How have you been insulted by my posts?

These little fellas can be a bit fragile at times.

 

[Thegman]

So what do you think creates these wounds? Without mass and velocity they would not happen. KE is just a calculation making an attempt to describe the work a moving object is capable of. 1800 fps, 77 gr. bullet possess a calculated 558 foot pounds of KE. How the bullet applies that is what matters. Who here says that is not adequate with proper placement? I have studied many of the wounds pictured. Very few compare to what fast opening 130 grain bullets from a 270 create. That does not make the animal any less dead.

At the risk of stirring things up that don't need to be stirred: With all the talk of knowledge regarding KE for determining bullet performance and killing potential, you've yet to show how you would apply that knowledge. You just keep stating KE over and over. E.g., what do your calculations predict for a bullet impacting with the 558 ft-lbs of KE as stated above?

 

[Billogna]

At the risk of stirring things up that don't need to be stirred: With all the talk of knowledge regarding KE for determining bullet performance and killing potential, you've yet to show how you would apply that knowledge. You just keep stating KE over and over. E.g., what do your calculations predict for a bullet impacting with the 558 ft-lbs of KE as stated above?

He can't tell you... He also can't tell you WHY KE is important... just that it is... because... gun writers...

 

[fwafwow]

One of my all time favs…

My personal favorite. Even further off topic:

 

[z987k]

So what do you think creates these wounds? Without mass and velocity they would not happen. KE is just a calculation making an attempt to describe the work a moving object is capable of. 1800 fps, 77 gr. bullet possess a calculated 558 foot pounds of KE. How the bullet applies that is what matters. Who here says that is not adequate with proper placement? I have studied many of the wounds pictured. Very few compare to what fast opening 130 grain bullets from a 270 create. That does not make the animal any less dead.

I don't think there's a person yet that has been able to identify which dead animal was shot with a 223 and which was shot with a 308, or 270 or... pick anything.