.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[BjornF16]

With non CNS hits the Partition will kill more quickly.

So you agree bullet construction matters.

 

[Robobiss]

So you agree bullet construction matters.

I think you and Fred are on the same team here. He is just getting slightly off topic, but not really at the same time.

What I’m gathering from what he is saying, actually does make sense and I’m very much in the “energy is a useless metric” camp.

To explain (maybe) better what he is saying, if the testing media was very deep, say 6’, and you fired a 77 grain FMJ, and measured the material displaced, and then fired a 77 TMK and measured the material displaced, they would be the same if the impact velocity was the same. The 77 TMK would have a very wide wound channel, but likely be sub 2’ deep. And the 77 FMJ might be a few feet, maybe 4’+ deep, and be very narrow.

Displacing tissue takes energy, and the bullet loses energy (by losing velocity) by displacing tissue. In theory, if you were able to stop both projectiles in the media, and they had the same energy at impact, would they not displace the same volume of material? We don’t care about a super long wound that’s 4 or 5’ long as hunters, we want 12-14” of “die right now”.

At least that is what I think he’s getting at, but it has been a long day so maybe I’m out in left field too.

 

[TxxAgg]

77 tmk strikes again

 

[sierracharlie338]

It is obvious that being a professor is beyond your reach. We are simply discussing velocity, energy and mass's relation to tissue disruption and since we are talking about a cartridge on the lower level of the energy spectrum speculation on it is relevant. I do use 22 centerfires for hunting, I just built myself a 22 ARC and I am not shitting on this thread. You are with your off topic BS.

Aww your feelings got hurt, I’m sorry that wasn’t my intent. I was simply asking for you to take your argumentative responses and now insults to its own thread about how important energy is. But clearly your little feelers got hurt so you felt the need to type mean things…..

Last I looked you have submitted a single data point to this thread but other than that, fodder (that means poop, professor).

 

[Schmo]

If someone were to need/want more penetration than a TMK/ELD, I’d suppose the Barnes Match Burner would be great as long as it acts like the other Match Burners. 2,000 fps minimum impact velocity, but penetrates 3-6 inches before expansion. Maybe someone has tested on game? They make it in 77 and 85 gr for 22 cal