.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[Gettincloser]

AAC TMK has been .90 cpr for a while and is OOS as well. I wonder if it will be like this for a while like the BH

I like my pricing better than yours. We need to let the guys at Palmetto know they need to bring the supply back and drop that price!

 

[omicron1792]

Anyone tried the stand 1 77TMK recently. Sounds like people were getting 100fps faster than black hills a couple of years ago. It is in stock right now.

 

[Ajsomp]

Anyone tried the stand 1 77TMK recently. Sounds like people were getting 100fps faster than black hills a couple of years ago. It is in stock right now.

 

[Timplant]

Anyone tried the stand 1 77TMK recently. Sounds like people were getting 100fps faster than black hills a couple of years ago. It is in stock right now.

I've got 250rds of it, shoots good, Kills better. Don't have FPS sorry

 

[omicron1792]

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What’s that all about?

 

[Steve300xcw]

I like my pricing better than yours. We need to let the guys at Palmetto know they need to bring the supply back and drop that price!

They just recently bumped the price up a lil bit. Was in stock just the other day

 

[Ajsomp]

They just recently bumped the price up a lil bit. Was in stock just the other day

Price was about .20cpr cheaper when I bought it.

 

[Steve300xcw]

I want to say it went up .10/per last month.

Good for them

 

[zdc1775]

The AAC TMK's I recently ordered were .86 a round and ended up being 1.01 a round after tax and shipping. Still not a bad deal considering the black hills load is more like 1.50 a round but considering they grouped almost twice the size of the black hills TMK and mk262 loads at 100 yards out of both of the guns I was using this weekend I doubt I'll buy anymore and will just stick with my mk262 clone handloads for practice ammo.

 

[SloppyJ]

This is what interests me about the 22 ARC. Using a 20" barrel and 88eldm rounds you would be in about the same range as a 223 for velocity but pushing 88gr vs 77gr.

I have 1 example of the 77gr TMK and am sold on it. With everyone else's experience, it gives me confidence. The only reason for interest in the 22 ARC and 88gr is to fight the wind. You can find the 22 ARC 88gr eldm on sale for $24/box of 20. This puts it at about the same cost per round as the Black Hills 77gr TMK. (About $1.25/round) The down side is that in 223, you can use the AAC 77gr TMK for practice at $0.80/ round and there is not a cheaper practice round for the 22 ARC to my knowledge in the 88gr option... as of today.

For convenience, practice and performance, the Tikka 223 and 77gr TMK is still the all around winner!

If some is good, more is better. Why not go 22 creed? Your barrel life is such that practicing with your hunting rounds is feasible IMO. The only arc that interests me is the 6 but in all honesty, only in a gas gun.

 

[Gettincloser]

If some is good, more is better. Why not go 22 creed? Your barrel life is such that practicing with your hunting rounds is feasible IMO. The only arc that interests me is the 6 but in all honesty, only in a gas gun.

The 22 creedmore is specified with a 1:8 twist and can stabilize the 80gr but not the 88gr bullets.

The BC on the 22 cal 88gr ELD-M is better than the BC on the 6mm 108gr ELD-M.

The 22 ARC is "loaded down" for Gass guns but you can get another 150 fps if handloading. (For the record, I do not hand load, but I would like to in the future.)

The 22 Creedmoor will have a lesser barrel life than the 22 ARC and currently the ammo is only being sold through Horizon Firearms as they have exclusive rights at the moment and availability is hit/miss. The 22 ARC has been available at every local shop I have walked in lately.

The 22 creedmore ammo is running $2 per round. I can find (with very little searching) 22 ARC at $1.35 to $1.50 per round between the local shops or online with shipping.

I have no interest in a gas gun as I would want to save the brass and I have yet to find a good brass catcher that is effective, quiet and simple. With that being said, if I decided I was wrong and went that direction, I would rather an AR15 platform over the heavier AR10 platform.

There is my thesis and justification why I need to build a 22 ARC! If only the budget would understand and loosen the purse strings! This is the plan over the next few months anyhow.

 

[waspocrew]

The 22 creedmore is specified with a 1:8 twist and can stabilize the 80gr but not the 88gr bullets.

The BC on the 22 cal 88gr ELD-M is better than the BC on the 6mm 108gr ELD-M.

The 22 ARC is "loaded down" for Gass guns but you can get another 150 fps if handloading. (For the record, I do not hand load, but I would like to in the future.)

The 22 Creedmoor will have a lesser barrel life than the 22 ARC and currently the ammo is only being sold through Horizon Firearms as they have exclusive rights at the moment and availability is hit/miss. The 22 ARC has been available at every local shop I have walked in lately.

The 22 creedmore ammo is running $2 per round. I can find (with very little searching) 22 ARC at $1.35 to $1.50 per round between the local shops or online with shipping.

I have no interest in a gas gun as I would want to save the brass and I have yet to find a good brass catcher that is effective, quiet and simple. With that being said, if I decided I was wrong and went that direction, I would rather an AR15 platform over the heavier AR10 platform.

There is my thesis and justification why I need to build a 22 ARC! If only the budget would understand and loosen the purse strings! This is the plan over the next few months anyhow.

For the record, 22 CM will stabilize an 88 ELDM just fine with a 1:8 twist…

 

[Gettincloser]

For the record, 22 CM will stabilize an 88 ELDam just fine with a 1:8 twist…

I was under the impression that it would not at sea level in the cold. (I live at 220 feet... sea level.)

 

[Schmo]

Received my Gen 2 MT 223 Tikka mag today. Cycled 10 full mags through flawlessly loaded at 2.550” COAL.

 

[BradArnett]

I was under the impression that it would not at sea level in the cold. (I live at 220 feet... sea level.)

I'm at 900'asl and my 1-8"tw 22-250ai has no issues with the 88eld in the winter here.

 

[pathnz]

They go sideways from a 1:8" .223

 

[MEdude]

My 1-8 .223 makes round holes with 88’s
Current DA is -71’ where I live.

 

[Gettincloser]

I was trying to find the podcast. I could have sworn it was on a Hornady podcast with 4 guys talking about the 22 ARC or 22 Creedmoor. They had mentioned that the 22 Creedmore with a 1:8 twist would destabilize in cold temps at sea level with the 88gr eldm... but now I cannot find it.

I am not an expert by any means. I wonder if slower velocity (223 vs 22 Creedmoore) also has an effect on stability. I should probably study the basics of balistics a bit more.

 

[pathnz]

I'm at sea level and SAAMI throat so could not get good velocity with the 88 from 223. I don't think it looks anywhere near stable from my barrel so I doubt it would make much difference for me to have another 200fps

 

[MEdude]

I’m less than a mile from the Atlantic. I don’t have an explanation as to why it stabilizes in some rifles, and not in others.
Full disclosure, I’ve not shot these past 200 yards, so if / where they destabilize beyond that distance, I can’t speak to that.