.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[Pharmseller]

Could have been in Canada. There are lots of elk in Alberta.

Jay

The author uses both yards and meters in the story.

Who does that?




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[Thegman]

Ok, how do you know? Did you put a 223 into the vitals of a charging pig to no effect?

Or is this the margin of error argument where a marginal shot with a .30 would have done the job?

Yes, as mentioned, joking.

Big_wals, great hog! I imagine a boar like that is pretty much inedible??

 

[Thegman]

Not trying to start an argument but just thought this was interesting. Close range shot With a Hornady sst from a 7 rem mag only made it into 1 long after a close range shot on an elk. Woukd be interesting to see some better pictures with the hide off and inside the cavity

I'm not sure it's really worth considering posts like these too much.

The guy starts with doubting the SST and then proves it with the scenario. Not that there is anything wrong with his other bullet recommendations, but the SST is perfectly capable of routinely killing elk.

Also strange they're shooting from a round bale (in a hay field?) and in a "short distance" the bull is in thick poplar. I guess? Maybe? Who knows?

Like others have said, probably a lot more to this story, if not a complete fabrication.

 

[Big_wals]

Yes, as mentioned, joking.

Big_wals, great hog! I imagine a boar like that is pretty much inedible??

Yeah people say the big boars aren’t as good, but honestly if you make it into sausage and add some pork fat and trimmings from a butcher, they still taste just fine. When we lived in Idaho and come down here to visit my in-laws I would save the meat from every pig I could get. Now that we’re living here, I am a little more picky about only eating sows or young boars, but it’s only because we shoot way more than we can eat.

 

[Thegman]

Yeah people say the big boars aren’t as good, but honestly if you make it into sausage and add some pork fat and trimmings from a butcher, they still taste just fine. When we lived in Idaho and come down here to visit my in-laws I would save the meat from every pig I could get. Now that we’re living here, I am a little more picky about only eating sows or young boars, but it’s only because we shoot way more than we can eat.

Good to know. I've only eaten a sow, shoat, and young boar, but they were all very good. The locals don't eat them much in OK where I go, but what I've had has been great. It's the only meat I'll bother bringing back home to AK, anything else fills my neighbor's freezer. The pork is a nice change up from what we have here.

 

[Bowfinn]

Just snagged a stainless Tikka 223 for $757-$75 rebate = $682 out the door from Euro Optic:

Tikka T3x Lite .223 Rem SS SYN 22.4" Barrel Rifle JRTXB312

Tikka T3x Lite .223 Rem SS SYN 22.4" Barrel Rifle JRTXB312 | Only at EuroOptic.com!

www.eurooptic.com

I should have a Carbon Six 223AI pre-fit coming towards the end of the year and don't want to be without a regular ol' trusty 223 Rem.

My views on caliber has been changing due to this forum over the past year, and your post pushed me over the edge. Now I need to find some TMKs.

 

[Gorp2007]

My views on caliber has been changing due to this forum over the past year, and your post pushed me over the edge. Now I need to find some TMKs.

Sierra 22cal 77gr TMK

Product Information Caliber: 22cal Bullet Diameter: 0.224” Bullet Weight: 77 Grains OAL: 1.072" Bullet Style: Tipped MatchKing Boat Tail G1 BC: 0.420 Part Number: 7177 or 7177C Quantity: 100ct or 500ct

www.bluecollarreloading.com

 

[Felix40]

Not that I've seen. Just posted on the 'gram.

Dang. That makes me want to get back on instagram but unfortunately I have a weak mind that will get sucked into all the negative stuff.

 

[Big_wals]

Tyler Freel shot his moose this year with a 22 ARC and 88 ELDm. He's doing good work bringing some of these ideas that run contrary to conventional wisdom to the masses with outdoor life.

Does this happen to be his? Posted to an AR hunting group on FB. Surprisingly there has been very little negative comments about it!

 

[Bowfinn]

Sierra 22cal 77gr TMK

Product Information Caliber: 22cal Bullet Diameter: 0.224” Bullet Weight: 77 Grains OAL: 1.072" Bullet Style: Tipped MatchKing Boat Tail G1 BC: 0.420 Part Number: 7177 or 7177C Quantity: 100ct or 500ct

www.bluecollarreloading.com

Thanks, but my next problem is I currently don’t reload and getting ammo shipped to Ak is hard/something I haven’t done.

 

[Poe]

It’s interesting to you that small caliber and fragmenting bullets are being advocated and your post with a big caliber and fragmenting bullets supports this is a bad idea?

Never said it was a bad idea. I just think it’s interesting how the 77smk doesn’t seem to have any issues at higher velocities even in a 22creed yet a sst at double the weight failed to penetrate far enough to damage the second lung

 

[Poe]

It was in Saskatchewan

 

[Bowfinn]

Yes, that is one of the pictures he posted on instagram.

 

[Matt5266]

My views on caliber has been changing due to this forum over the past year, and your post pushed me over the edge. Now I need to find some TMKs.

I have some for sale. Look at my classifieds

 

[wind gypsy]

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Does this happen to be his? Posted to an AR hunting group on FB. Surprisingly there has been very little negative comments about it!

Yes. that's it.

 

[omicron1792]

Shot another pig tonight with the 75 gr sabre. 115 yards, he was facing me straight on with his head down feeding. Put it right in the top of the skull. Pig dropped in his tracks, as would be expected from any bullet with that placement. Didn’t do a necropsy as I didn’t have a saw with me to cut the skull open. One of the biggest hogs I’ve ever shot, of course tonight was the night I forgot to bring my scale took two rachet straps and about twenty minutes to wrestle him into the pickup.
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He’s a monster

 

[Shraggs]

Never said it was a bad idea. I just think it’s interesting how the 77smk doesn’t seem to have any issues at higher velocities even in a 22creed yet a sst at double the weight failed to penetrate far enough to damage the second lung

Gotcha.

My take on it, regardless of caliber or bullet good shot placement is key. Poor lethality is difficult to blame, assess or argue on those things when it is a poor shot.

The pic and story don’t jive. If that is quartering to probably not where I would place a shot. Possibly partial lung, liver and guts. Hence is was not a good shot regardless of authors words. If that was broadside presentation be a better shot imo.

I think difficult to draw any conclusions on one pic and questionable written summary as a “third person”.

 

[Tahr]

Gotcha.

My take on it, regardless of caliber or bullet good shot placement is key. Poor lethality is difficult to blame, assess or argue on those things when it is a poor shot.

The pic and story don’t jive. If that is quartering to probably not where I would place a shot. Possibly partial lung, liver and guts. Hence is was not a good shot regardless of authors words. If that was broadside presentation be a better shot imo.

I think difficult to draw any conclusions on one pic and questionable written summary as a “third person”.

People seem to like to post up the "one offs" and "hardly ever" examples to make a point. Exceptions have never persuaded me. It's the norm that Im convinced by. Ive never met a bullet that hasn't been claimed to have failed at some time, but more often than not its the shooter failing it.

 

[ztc92]

Thanks, but my next problem is I currently don’t reload and getting ammo shipped to Ak is hard/something I haven’t done.

Can you get factory 73 ELDM? That may be a good plan B if you don’t reload.

 

[cowdisciple]

Can you get factory 73 ELDM? That may be a good plan B if you don’t reload.

Pretty good Plan A, for that matter.