.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[rabbithuntr]

Got a really good deal on this Rem 700 in 223. I've got a Pork Sword folding chassis coming for it and 1000 77TMK's to load for it. It's got a Timney trigger, 2.5-15 Trijicon Credo HX scope, Area 419 scope base, Seekins rings, and a Griffin Armament suppressor. She's a sweet shooter. I've only ran factory ammo through it so far but the Sig MK262 clone ammo printed sub moa groups through ten strings of fire. Should be a solid rifle. I've got Varget and StaBall 6.5 to use with it. Anyone used either of those for loading 223? I've never loaded 223 before. Only 224 cal I've loaded is 22CM.
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I’ve been loading staball 6.5 behind 75 ELDs it shoots as well as other powders ive used but you’ll probably run out of case capacity before you run into over pressure signs.


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[Tobe_B]

The new Howa Mini is a shooter. The micro action plus factory threaded barrel, coupled with the fact I could put a barreled action into a Stockys stock for the same price as a factory Tikka, made it a pretty easy decision.

First shot to get on paper was about 5 mils low and 1.5 left, made an adjustment...

Resulted in top hole. Quick windage adjustment and shot the far right...felt pretty sure about my adjustment so shot again, still right.

One more tweak, center punch, then 4 more as fast as I could cycle the bolt just because I was having so much fun. First time shooting a suppressed .223....what a trip.

Really appreciate the fellas who have provided insight and advice on this and related threads. I've seen my shooting improve 10 fold in the last year and a half, and am sure the .223 will help keep the skills sharp.

Ammo was AAC 77 grain OTMs in 5.56, can't beat that for $10.99 a box.

This has me really excited for mine. Colorado requires a minimum of 6mm for big game. I ordered a howa mini 6mm ARC in kryptek camo. Should have it in hand by next week. I’m hoping it shoots as good as yours.


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[brucevalley20]

And I am officially drinking the cool aid next step take it to a smith to cut the barrel down and have it threaded very excited to try it out this fall.

 

[PixelHunter]

I finally found some time to set it up. The scope is on the heavier side, but it will work for now.
Zeroing it this weekend.

 

[D R T]

Doe at 280 yards this morning.

Tikka T3x and 77gr Black Hills TMK

Quarter-sized exit and pure carnage between the holes. 30 yard death dash.

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If that’s your processing room, I’m super jealous!

 

[PNWGATOR]

Got a really good deal on this Rem 700 in 223. I've got a Pork Sword folding chassis coming for it and 1000 77TMK's to load for it. It's got a Timney trigger, 2.5-15 Trijicon Credo HX scope, Area 419 scope base, Seekins rings, and a Griffin Armament suppressor. She's a sweet shooter. I've only ran factory ammo through it so far but the Sig MK262 clone ammo printed sub moa groups through ten strings of fire. Should be a solid rifle. I've got Varget and StaBall 6.5 to use with it. Anyone used either of those for loading 223? I've never loaded 223 before. Only 224 cal I've loaded is 22CM.

Please reconsider and start at the start.

Your ‘good deal’ isn’t.

 

[Mrwoodard]

Please reconsider and start at the start.

Your ‘good deal’ isn’t.

What do you mean by this comment?
Are you saying that a remington 700 isn't worth having?

 

[PNWGATOR]

What do you mean by this comment?
Are you saying that a remington 700 isn't worth having?

That’d certainly simplify things.

Bullets matter.

The delivery system matters.

Barrel. Twist. Throat geometry. COAL. Action. Trigger. Stock. Rings. Scope. Etc.

Please read this thread in it‘s entirety from post #1.

A Remington 700 topped with a Leupold in MOA shooting a hammer wasn’t chosen...

 

[280Ackley]

That’d certainly simplify things.

Bullets matter.

The delivery system matters.

Barrel. Twist. Throat geometry. COAL. Action. Trigger. Stock. Rings. Scope. Etc.

Please read this thread in it‘s entirety from post #1.

A Remington 700 topped with a Leupold in MOA shooting a hammer wasn’t chosen...

He didn’t say he had a Leupold. Just because it’s not a Tikka in a Rokstock doesn’t mean it won’t work. I agree with most all lot of your comments here in this thread but not this time.

 

[Bert01]

That’d certainly simplify things.

Bullets matter.

The delivery system matters.

Barrel. Twist. Throat geometry. COAL. Action. Trigger. Stock. Rings. Scope. Etc.

Please read this thread in it‘s entirety from post #1.

A Remington 700 topped with a Leupold in MOA shooting a hammer wasn’t chosen...

Did you quote the wrong post? What are you talking about? He’s got a 700 he’s planning to shoot 77 tmk’s out of suppressed with a trijicon on top. What part of that requires a post telling him to reconsider? Maybe I just need to go to sleep, I must be getting ornery this late.

 

[Castle Rock]

The only legitimate downside of a Remington is the trigger doesn’t handle icy conditions and for most people that is irrelevant

 

[atmat]

A Remington 700 topped with a Leupold in MOA shooting a hammer wasn’t chosen...

Huh?

 

[BLJ]

Huh?

Kinda what I was thinking as well.

 

[Grundy53]

That’d certainly simplify things.

Bullets matter.

The delivery system matters.

Barrel. Twist. Throat geometry. COAL. Action. Trigger. Stock. Rings. Scope. Etc.

Please read this thread in it‘s entirety from post #1.

A Remington 700 topped with a Leupold in MOA shooting a hammer wasn’t chosen...

I normally agree with you. But what a ridiculous comment. I drank the cool-aide and bought a Tikka. But as long as it shoots, who cares if it's a 700. He's got a reliable scope and good bullets. Heck, he's got way more after-market options, too.

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[ElPollo]

I’m no fan of 700s. But if someone starts with a 223 in appropriate twist with good bullet selection and shoots it enough, they are showing good decision making skills and are bound to come around to better and safer actions eventually.

 

[Mtnmilsurp]

I’m reading PO Ackley’s 1949 book, “Handbook for Shooters and Reloaders” and it’s just like reading this thread.

The current chapter relates higher 1-shot kill rates on deer and 600 lb burros with a .22-250 than .270 to .30 caliber chamberings. Apparently a few bullets were made with thicker jackets for the .22-250 back then (like TMKs and ELDMs today) to hold the bullets together when fired at 4,000+ fps.

Here’s a PO quote that will ring familiar: “Maybe too much has been said about bullets breaking up. If they kill satisfactorily, what does it matter?

 

[crich]

I normally agree with you. But what a ridiculous comment. I drank the cool-aide and bought a Tikka. But as long as it shoots, who cares if it's a 700. He's got a reliable scope and good bullets. Heck, he's got way more after-market options, too.

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This pretty much sums up that comment.

 

[crich]

I’m reading PO Ackley’s 1949 book, “Handbook for Shooters and Reloaders” and it’s just like reading this thread.

The current chapter relates higher 1-shot kill rates on deer and 600 lb burros with a .22-250 than .270 to .30 caliber chamberings. Apparently a few bullets were made with thicker jackets for the .22-250 back then (like TMKs and ELDMs) to hold the bullets together when fired at 4,000+ fps.

Here’s a PO quote that will ring familiar: “Maybe too much has been said about bullets breaking up. If they kill satisfactorily, what does it matter?

If Im not mistaken didnt he touch on bullet RPMs playing a role in effectiveness on game in that book as well?

 

[clperry]

Please reconsider and start at the start.

Your ‘good deal’ isn’t.

Like many, I have followed and appreciated greatly the knowledge and information this thread has brought and continues to offer. But that comment to his post is very much the reason folks are calling this a cult. It’s a shame really.


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[Mtnmilsurp]

If Im not mistaken didnt he touch on bullet RPMs playing a role in effectiveness on game in that book as well?

He did write about RPMs but was only talking low 200,000s. These were 45-50 grain .224 bullets so they wouldn’t be spinning all that high by today’s standards. He also gave some credence to the hydrostatic shock theory which I think was probably really CNS disruption by fragments. They had no way of measuring velocity down range so there was some theorizing that the bullets had slowed to .22LR speeds but maintained their spin which compensated for low velocity.

I think some of the “why” conclusions were off but the observations (results) were poignant. He talks about killing 600lb animals reliably at 600 yards with 50 grain .22 caliber bullets.