.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[Schmo]

Since spring bear fell through, I wanted to test out the 223. Was told “223 just doesn’t put em down”. Not a huge pig and was probly only 70 yards away. But was stone dead within 40 yards and about 5-10 seconds. 77 TMK. Pic of offside shoulder.

Sounds like a 223 topped with a 77TMK to me!

 

[rclouse79]

I wish I knew how many times I saw this thread without clicking it because I thought it was clickbait. Well I finally opened Pandora’s box, and after a lot of reading and daydreaming it finally ended up costing me money. Time to get some bullets put together so I can see how it shoots.

 

[Schmo]

@rclouse79, which AB can you have?

 

[rclouse79]

@rclouse79, which AB can you have?

I bought the A10 7.62 for my new 25-06 barrel I am going to put on my 270 after bear season. I bought an adapter to put it on the 223 for now since it is 1/2 threads. I am going to order an A10 5.56 for the 223. I have yet to put a round through it. Hopefully this weekend.

 

[Schmo]

I bought the A10 7.62 for my new 25-06 barrel I am going to put on my 270 after bear season. I bought an adapter to put it on the 223 for now since it is 1/2 threads. I am going to order an A10 5.56 for the 223. I have yet to put a round through it. Hopefully this weekend.

I just purchased that exact can today! Hoping it’ll be in hand by the end of next week. I would advise when you order another, just order another 7.62. The 5.56 is only 1 oz lighter, and roughly .75” shorter. You’d be strictly limited to 22 cal and under. The 7.62 would allow you a lot of flexibility.

 

[zdc1775]

I just purchased that exact can today! Hoping it’ll be in hand by the end of next week. I would advise when you order another, just order another 7.62. The 5.56 is only 1 oz lighter, and roughly .75” shorter. You’d be strictly limited to 22 cal and under. The 7.62 would allow you a lot of flexibility.

I would second just get the 7.62 model.

I have one 5.56 only can (which is thankfully bored large enough to be rated safe for up to 6.5 CM by the manufacture) and it'll be my last one because it does start to become a pain not being able to use it on all my rifles, where my 30 caliber cans I can swap them around and use on any of my rifles and the sound really isn't any different to my ears when using it on a 5.56. So it will eventually end up being used only on my 5.56 SBR, while the others will get swapped to whichever rifle I need them on at the time.

 

[Robobiss]

I bought the A10 7.62 for my new 25-06 barrel I am going to put on my 270 after bear season. I bought an adapter to put it on the 223 for now since it is 1/2 threads. I am going to order an A10 5.56 for the 223. I have yet to put a round through it. Hopefully this weekend.

I also have an A-10 7.62 and shoot an absolute crap pile of 223 through it. It suppresses really well with 223 and I never find myself wanting “more” out of it.

Being able to run the can on everything from my RSS Tikka (223) all the way to my 30-06 (that I never shoot or hunt with anymore ) is great.

 

[rabbithuntr]

I would second just get the 7.62 model.

I have one 5.56 only can (which is thankfully bored large enough to be rated safe for up to 6.5 CM by the manufacture) and it'll be my last one because it does start to become a pain not being able to use it on all my rifles, where my 30 caliber cans I can swap them around and use on any of my rifles and the sound really isn't any different to my ears when using it on a 5.56. So it will eventually end up being used only on my 5.56 SBR, while the others will get swapped to whichever rifle I need them on at the time.

Or you canell your larger cal rifles that you never shoot to fund more suppressors

 

[Kimber7man]

I would a few less rifles and probably only shoot one if .223 was legal for deer in Indiana. That being said this is going to divert into an argument in a hurry lol.

Not sure if you’ve followed but the new regs look like a 223 is legal in Indiana now!

 

[longrangelead]

A little recap on the terminal performance of 73 ELDM's on the bear I shot last week.

73ELDM @2840 From 18" Tikka.
Bear was a mature and stalky 5 footer. My guess is 160‐175lbs live weight.

Shot #1, 298yds, steep down hill. Bear stood up facing me, I aimed center chest, hit 2" to my right(bear's left).

Bullet entered bear's left chest, upset as it entered chest cavity, crossed in front of heart, between lungs, made tennis ball size cavity in right backstrap against spine, jacket and 2 BB size pieces of core stopped between the backstrap and the 1" layer of shoulder meat over the backstrap.

Shot 1 entry at knife point





Shot #2 was same 298yds, steep downhill. Bear immediately fell to the ground at shot #1, I saw hit #1 was good but bear continued moving on the ground. Bear was obstructed by two aspen sprouts so I made a best guess at placement for shot #2, bullet struck center shoulder, meat only. Bullet upset at 1" penetration, angled down through the shoulder outside the ribcage, jacket and core stopped against the hide just to the side of the entrance of shot #1.

I initially thought shot #2 got the lungs also, there was no major entry/exit from the ribcage though. There was a small bloodshot spot on both lungs I think was a piece of jacket from shot #2.





Shot 1 entry/shot 2 against hide

Shot 2 shoulder damage

It was late and I was alone so the pics aren't the best, plus it's simply hard to capture the true extent of tissue damage in a picture.
The reaction of the bear and the damage I saw made a believer out of me. There will be more!

 

[nm.otter]

For entertainment purposes only

unless you turn off the sound and focus on the wound channels.

 

[BigEd36]

Not sure if you’ve followed but the new regs look like a 223 is legal in Indiana now!

Kimber7man, thanks for posting this. I had just checked recently and couldn't find anything about new hunting regulations. After reading your post I did some more searching and new information has been posted. Indeed, .22 caliber centerfire cartridges will be legal for deer hunting in the upcoming deer hunting season! Also, the different restrictions on cartridges for use on public land have been dropped, the public land cartridge rules are now the same as private land cartridges! Yay!

 

[Sandstrom]

 

[zdc1775]

Or you canell your larger cal rifles that you never shoot to fund more suppressors

Too bad the only rifles that I don't shoot at least somewhat regularly both have too much sentimental value for me to sell. So I'll just keep buying suppressors once or twice a year as funds allow until I have all the rifles adequately covered, I might even get one for the 416 at some point but that one would be at the bottom of the list.

 

[rclouse79]

I loaded up some bullets and got out to the range for the first time today. It was my first shots with a suppressor and it was pretty stinking cool. I was nervous to see how the new gun would shoot. I know it isn’t a ten shot group, but I am at least feeling good that the gun isn’t a lemon.

 

[rclouse79]

I am planning to head out tomorrow and try shooting at distance with the Hornady ballistic app. I wanted to see if the data I entered looks like a good starting point for a 20 inch t3x barrel with an ab a10 suppressor. I loaded 77gr tmk with 23.7 gr of 8208 and cci 450 primers. I chose the G7 with a ballistic coefficient of .207 and 2800 fps for the velocity.
It shows 4.08 mrads of vertical adjustment at 600 yards. Thanks for any advice!

 

[The Guide]

I am planning to head out tomorrow and try shooting at distance with the Hornady ballistic app. I wanted to see if the data I entered looks like a good starting point for a 20 inch t3x barrel with an ab a10 suppressor. I loaded 77gr tmk with 23.7 gr of 8208 and cci 450 primers. I chose the G7 with a ballistic coefficient of .207 and 2800 fps for the velocity.
It shows 4.08 mrads of vertical adjustment at 600 yards. Thanks for any advice!

Is that your actual velocity or just a number you hope will work?

Jay

 

[Castle Rock]

I don’t really think that the Hornady ballistic app works out that well with other bullets.
I would be using something like ballistic AE or Shooter, and if you haven’t chronographed that load I’d be probably inputting something about the 2740 range

 

[rclouse79]

Is that your actual velocity or just a number you hope will work?

Jay

I don’t have a chronograph, so I was just guessing based on what others have posted. I was going to see how high or low I was and tinker with the velocity to match the drop.

 

[rclouse79]

I don’t really think that the Hornady ballistic app works out that well with other bullets.
I would be using something like ballistic AE or Shooter, and if you haven’t chronographed that load I’d be probably inputting something about the 2740 range

Thanks for the advice, I will look into those apps today. Do you prefer one over the other?