.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[KHntr]

If you are saying that Talleys are unreliable you are over thinking the whole thing.

The only overthinking that goes on, is thinking that they are a robust system that won’t crack under normal use.

A lot of people (myself included) have had multiple sets crack because we just didn’t want to give up on the aesthetics of the rings. Same as putting a Leupold on, because “it just looks right”.

“Looks right” is a far cry from “works right” and there are a lot of systems out there that simply work right no matter what.

On dozens of rifles now I haven’t cracked a single make of ANY other ring, but I’ve had 3 sets of Talleys go down personally. I’ve had zero Bushnell LRHS/LRTS/DMR or Arken’s lose zero or fail to track, but I’ve had 4 or 5 Leupolds shit the bed. I still have a couple of them mounted, but they aren’t on serious rifles and it won’t be a surprise when they fail to be zeroed after a ride in the truck.

 

[Solm]

You can kill alot of things with a .223 but that doesn't mean it's a good idea. I'd keep the .44 rifle, it would work a whole lot better.

 

[sveltri]

You can kill alot of things with a .223 but that doesn't mean it's a good idea. I'd keep the .44 rifle, it would work a whole lot better.

Would you say its works twice as much better?

 

[KHntr]

I just posted this in the mono’s thread, but it seems relevant.


I used to shoot moly’d 168 TTSX out of a 300 RUM at 3450fps as my moose and elk rifle. I killed a lot of bulls in the rut at around 100 yards or less, and could typically count on losing less than 5lbs of meat even on square broadside shots through shoulders.
Shooting elk that close though, they typically got shot more than once because they would still be kicking and flopping when I walked up to them.

Now I use a 223AI with 88gr ELD m’s.
85% less recoil, 75% less powder, 48% less bullet, to get 200% of the wound channel for 85% of the penetration length. And I shoot them half as many times because they are dead faster.

 

[PsRpOiGrRiAtM]

You can kill alot of things with a .223 but that doesn't mean it's a good idea. I'd keep the .44 rifle, it would work a whole lot better.

 

[Billy Goat]

You can kill alot of things with a .223 but that doesn't mean it's a good idea. I'd keep the .44 rifle, it would work a whole lot better.

 

[ElPollo]

You can kill alot of things with a .223 but that doesn't mean it's a good idea. I'd keep the .44 rifle, it would work a whole lot better.

When people publicly comment on a book obviously without ever bothering to read it, it’s never a good look.

 

[Deere_Man]

I’m glad that we’ve finally gotten back on track of refuting and proving the merits of the 223 Rem. The Talley/Leupold quality needs its own separate thread.

 

[fwafwow]

You can kill alot of things with a .223 but that doesn't mean it's a good idea. I'd keep the .44 rifle, it would work a whole lot better.

 

[Pharmseller]

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[Colby]

You can kill alot of things with a .223 but that doesn't mean it's a good idea. I'd keep the .44 rifle, it would work a whole lot better.

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[Dave0317]

I’m glad that we’ve finally gotten back on track of refuting and proving the merits of the 223 Rem. The Talley/Leupold quality needs its own separate thread.

I agree. The last 450 pages have been a decent intro into the idea that maybe the .223 can be used for big game. We should be able to start to drive the point home over the next 450 pages or so.

 

[bearcreekbandit]

Just following up on previous photos with video breakdown and footage of my 22 ARC moose (I know, not .223).

 

[KHntr]

Great video Tyler.

 

[Holocene]

Adding to the pile here, not to continue to build the case for 223 Remington for big game, but to celebrate that I got to do it with a LEFT HANDED Rokslide Special (unobtainable in the USA) and add a report of a specific bullet, the Hornady ELD-M 73 grain.

Success was on a Small blacktail doe shot offhand while picking chanterelles on the Oregon coast. I'm mostly a bowhunter, recoil shy, and very pleased with the performance, accuracy, and overall shootability of this rifle.

Rifle: Left-handed Tikka T3x 223 Remington 1:8 twist 20" barrel, SWFA 6x42, factory barrel (unobtainable in the USA, so I had to piece together from parts)
Bullet: 73 grain ELD-M
Shot distance: 75 yards
Traveled: 16 yards
Bloodtrail: Explosive blood at shot site, solid blood trail for 15 yards and she was right there.
Wound description: Tiny bullet sized hole in skin and shoulder muscle. Main damage to heart. I couldn't see the entry wound until skinning. Bullet opened quickly (second pic) and started to work by the time in rib cage. Entry rib cage wound about 1.75" wide and exit ribcage wound about 2" wide. The bullet hit dead center of the heart. All I found was a small triangle meat nugget that was the bottom of the heart. The rest was hamburger. Lungs pretty much intact. Meat loss/bloodshot very, very minimal.
Animal behavior: Deer raised up on hind legs and sprinted forward into woods and died within seconds.

 

[grappling_hook]

Just following up on previous photos with video breakdown and footage of my 22 ARC moose

Cool vid, keep 'em coming!

I know, not .223)

Sure it is

I think "223 for bear mountain goat elk etc" includes 22 ARC plus 22 creed, 22-250, 222 Rem, 220 Swift and any other centerfire that starts out with a .224 bullet.

 

[Castle Rock]

Cool vid, keep 'em coming!


Sure it is

I think "223 for bear mountain goat elk etc" includes 22 ARC plus 22 creed, 22-250, 222 Rem, 220 Swift and any other centerfire that starts out with a .224 bullet.

I don’t, there’s a significant increase in the size of the wound channels with the faster rounds, this is a specific discussion of the 223

 

[jadkins223]

Daughters hunt this weekend. Doe at 105 yards. Video coming soon. Died within seconds.


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[Lentuk]

77 Grain TMK in stock at Midsouth​

 

[Camv]

Tmks are somehow making their way into Canada. I managed to pick up a thousand at a dealer. They'll be shared between myself and another member and his brother. Maybe it's the start of something good?