.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[Huntsalot]

Has anyone been able to make lung soup and pop the stomach on one shot from broadside? I tried 223/tmk for the first time this year on a large whitetail doe and was surprised by that.

I talked a friend into trying the 77tmk out of a 22 creed and he had the same results on a larger buck, otherwise Id figure mine was an anomaly. So high impact velocity, behind the shoulder shots. Definitely not gut shots but the stomach was popped is the only way to describe it. The lungs were mush.

I'd rather not high shoulder and lose meat on a whitetail, but im thinking I will use the tmk as a neck shot round inside reasonable ranges. No chance it's penciling through.

Got any pictures of the entrance/exit? I'd be curious to see how close to the liver/guts you were. Is it possible a bullet fragment went that direction and popped a hole. Or are you talking the guts were completely torn open?

 

[Lawnboi]

I don’t gut animals anymore but the 77 at 16” 22cm speeds, on close deer is border line too much carnage.

I posted pictures in the 22 creed thread but at 100 yards I could have stuck my iPhone through the entrance wound. Grape fruit sized hole in the rib cage and near side shoulder, which the bullet was off of by an inch or so, completely mushed. Bullet found in offside hide.

So if you want margin for error…. I’d just run it faster. I have no desire for any more damage on a deer.

I can’t imagine what a fast 130tmk would do

 

[5811]

Got any pictures of the entrance/exit? I'd be curious to see how close to the liver/guts you were. Is it possible a bullet fragment went that direction and popped a hole. Or are you talking the guts were completely torn open?

I didn't take any photos. It seemed like a standard double lung with where I hit and how she went down. I was probably 3" back from the shoulder. There was liver damage as well as the stomach was opened. It was a surprise when dressing and it was too messy to clean myself up for photos.

I'm guessing it was fragments that did it. It was caliber sized entrance and stuck in ribs/hide on the other side. I just wouldn't have shot behind the shoulder if I'd have known it would be that messy. I was just curious if it was common, but 2/2 same result for my friend and I.

 

[Thegman]

I'm not surprised by this happening. I posted pictures of a double lunged buck. The shot took out ribs on both sides, but also blew a hole up through the spine, even though the shot wasn't really even close to the spine.

Seems like the TMK can damage stuff in a pretty big radius. Doubt you'll pop rumens every time, but not too surprised that you guys did it two times in a row.

 

[Formidilosus]

My how times have changed…

2019- “.223 calibers are way to small to kill reliably!!!”

2023- “77gr TMK’s cause too much damage”.


Haha.

 

[KHNC]

I shot a whitetail doe with a .223/77 grain TMK. Impact velocity was around 2350 FPS. She ran about 40 yards and piled up. There was no blood trail. Here's what's left of the heart and lungs.
View attachment 633309

Definitely a 9mm used here.

 

[Shraggs]

Definitely a 9mm used here.

?

 

[Pharmseller]

?

He’s making fun of Biden claiming a 9mm Parabellum will blow a lung out of the body.




P

 

[Pokerface]

Because a 9mm "will blow there lungs out" according to the President....Joe

 

[Moosehunter]

Anyone loaded 80 grain eldx in 1/8 223?
Would they stabilize?
I know those 77's are the "one and done" but these look interesting
I know after market mag would be needed

 

[DJL2]

I'm guessing it was fragments that did it. It was caliber sized entrance and stuck in ribs/hide on the other side. I just wouldn't have shot behind the shoulder if I'd have known it would be that messy. I was just curious if it was common, but 2/2 same result for my friend and I.

Mr. Foster states/claims that this is due to rapid expansion of the chest/diaphragm followed by collapse creating a pressure differential that ruptured the rumen. The source I’m paraphrasing from is his 75 Amax on goats commentary from his website if you are inclined to look.

 

[Shraggs]

Because a 9mm "will blow their lungs out" according to the President....Joe

I’ve tuned him (joe) out this year so I didn’t know he said that. Thanks guys.

Joe, is so wise…

 

[Hoove]

Just don’t shoot an SMK from an AR with a pistol brace. Most likely knock the earth off it’s axis!

 

[Big_wals]

Only if you shoulder it

Just don’t shoot an SMK from an AR with a pistol brace. Most likely knock the earth off it’s axis!

 

[SouthPaw]

Anyone loaded 80 grain eldx in 1/8 223?
Would they stabilize?
I know those 77's are the "one and done" but these look interesting
I know after market mag would be needed

The 80g ELDM shoots fantastic, I'd assume the eld-x would too with the same form factor.

 

[BlackHillsShooter]

My how times have changed…

2019- “.223 calibers are way to small to kill reliably!!!”

2023- “77gr TMK’s cause too much damage”.


Haha.

150gr SST's out of a 30-06 can cause too much damage in a deer. On par with what my 77gr TMK did to this years deer. Seen it, through the scope this time.

This has been a really fun learning experience for me. And my old neck likes low to no recoil any more.

Maybe next week, a cow elk!

 

[mt terry d]

Because a 9mm "will blow there lungs out" according to the President....Joe

I quite watching the Clown Show a while ago so I hadn't heard that.

I do recall someone ( bernie Sanders?) saying "You don't need seven bullets to kill a deah!"

Obviously he's never seen me shoot.

................

Back to your previously scheduled program.

 

[Sandstrom]

After three unsuccessful days hunting for an elk (cow tag, and only saw bulls) with the 77 TMK’s, I decided to switch gears for the last evening and fill my turkey tag for thanksgiving Thanks to @Formidilosus advice on the TMK’s being to much for turkey I brought with some MK 262 mod 1-C in another mag. Both the black hills 77 TMK and black hills MK 262 mod 1-C hit at virtually the same poi at 100 yards and had virtual the same muzzle velocity. Worked like a champ!!

160 yards, shot from the creek bottom up at a bit of an angle. Entered right through the lower back and exited through the other side, lost about three bites of meat from the opposite side upper thigh area and a bit of wing meat.

After a nice brine it turned out great for thanksgiving dinner!!

First time the wife came with for a big game hunt, all in all we had an awesome time with tons of great memories!! She is already talking about plans for next years hunting

Ryan

 

[Drenalin]

Add turkeys to thread title?

 

[Formidilosus]

After three unsuccessful days hunting for an elk (cow tag, and only saw bulls) with the 77 TMK’s, I decided to switch gears for the last evening and fill my turkey tag for thanksgiving Thanks to @Formidilosus advice on the TMK’s being to much for turkey I brought with some MK 262 mod 1-C in another mag. Both the black hills 77 TMK and black hills MK 262 mod 1-C hit at virtually the same poi at 100 yards and had virtual the same muzzle velocity. Worked like a champ!!
View attachment 634243
160 yards, shot from the creek bottom up at a bit of an angle. View attachment 634247Entered right through the lower back and exited through the other side, lost about three bites of meat from the opposite side upper thigh area and a bit of wing meat.
View attachment 634248
After a nice brine it turned out great for thanksgiving dinner!!
View attachment 634249
First time the wife came with for a big game hunt, all in all we had an awesome time with tons of great memories!! She is already talking about plans for next years hunting

Ryan

That’s great, and exactly what I do (77gr TMK/MK262 mags).