.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[fwafwow]

Is that all that's left of the rabbit? LOL

Looks devastating.

Not my shot, but very messy. That’s the heart. It was very difficult to see the entry and even the exit wound but plenty of damage internally. Was a Berger loaded by McWhorter.

 

[Tahr]

People talking about 55 grn. From a 223 at 3150 mv. 240 yards. Ran about 30 yards. Fallow deer about whitetail size.

55 grn Gameking. Found under far side skin. Pic of entry under shoulder.

 

[SquatchHunter]

I've heard in other places the Hornady 55SP works really well, have never used on on game though myself. Impressive how well it holds up to even Swift velocity.

I shot a raccoon out of my 16” AR with one before. 100 yards out. It made a mess.

 

[JohnDough]

Thanks for sharing. That round seems to never disappoint.

I've found it to expand reliably as long as you keep velocities up to 1900+, and it always penetrates well. Typical destruction isn't insane, but it's what I'd call "A reliable bullet". Kindof like the Glock 19. It's not the highest capacity, it's not the whateverest, but it WILL work, and it's proven.

 

[sargent]

I shot a whitetail doe with a .223/77 grain TMK. Impact velocity was around 2350 FPS. She ran about 40 yards and piled up. There was no blood trail. Here's what's left of the heart and lungs.

 

[mt terry d]

More 77 gr TMK and 223 and less other bullets and cartridges like the thread began maybe?

( Not saying the experience with other bullets isn't interesting and worthwhile )

 

[xsn10s]

I’m sure they scrubbed it as bullying but I posted 7 cow elk all hanging at a meat processor and got the hammer fan club all fired up about those magic little bullets. When I revealed they were 80g eld m out of a 22-250 no one believed it and I got temporarily banned


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Where was this at?

 

[amassi]

Where was this at?

Long range hunting ie hammer time 2.0.
The elk were from Utah


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[ThatDUDE]

Long range hunting ie hammer time 2.0.
The elk were from Utah


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Any more information on the cow elk with the 80 ELDM? Yardages etc?

 

[Castle Rock]

I’m sure they scrubbed it as bullying but I posted 7 cow elk all hanging at a meat processor and got the hammer fan club all fired up about those magic little bullets. When I revealed they were 80g eld m out of a 22-250 no one believed it and I got temporarily banned


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That is great, internet trolling at it’s finest, love it
BTW I have been having great results with the same combo

 

[amassi]

Any more information on the cow elk with the 80 ELDM? Yardages etc?

From 150- about 450 yards
They all died in undramatic (non rodeo) fashion. One I shot 3 times right at 300 yards because I didn’t want her jumping or running over a fence. Lungs- high crease- base of neck.
The longer range ones they just humped up and started the death wobble -about the time the second round hit them, the second almost always knocked em over.
***None of them required a second shot but because of the situation and ranchers request they all got shot until they stopped moving***

The cow at 150 was the biggest I’ve ever seen, first round blew a chunk of lung about 15 yards behind her onto the snow second farther forward destroyed the heart and she faceplanted and pushed a pile of snow about 10 feet.


The rancher did not believe a 22 cal was sufficient and really wanted me to use a bigger mag. Part of the deal for the elk permits was we would shoot a mule deer doe as well. After the 3rd or fourth doe with the 80 eld he relented and admitted the 80 was more than sufficient. Even the butcher guessed we were shooting some big boomer mag.
Our 80 eld m wounds were more violent and predictable than the 7 mag 160 trophy bonded bear claw the rancher was using and his sons 300 win/ accubond combo
Even without a suppressor we were able to shoot multiples without the herd getting too upset. If I lived in a state where I could own a suppressor there isn’t many situations I couldn’t do with a big 22 cal.


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[xsn10s]

From 150- about 450 yards
They all died in undramatic (non rodeo) fashion. One I shot 3 times right at 300 yards because I didn’t want her jumping or running over a fence. Lungs- high crease- base of neck.
The longer range ones they just humped up and started the death wobble -about the time the second round hit them, the second almost always knocked em over.
***None of them required a second shot but because of the situation and ranchers request they all got shot until they stopped moving***

The cow at 150 was the biggest I’ve ever seen, first round blew a chunk of lung about 15 yards behind her onto the snow second farther forward destroyed the heart and she faceplanted and pushed a pile of snow about 10 feet.


The rancher did not believe a 22 cal was sufficient and really wanted me to use a bigger mag. Part of the deal for the elk permits was we would shoot a mule deer doe as well. After the 3rd or fourth doe with the 80 eld he relented and admitted the 80 was more than sufficient. Even the butcher guessed we were shooting some big boomer mag.
Our 80 eld m wounds were more violent and predictable than the 7 mag 160 trophy bonded bear claw the rancher was using and his sons 300 win/ accubond combo
Even without a suppressor we were able to shoot multiples without the herd getting too upset. If I lived in a state where I could own a suppressor there isn’t many situations I couldn’t do with a big 22 cal.


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I got a guy over at LRH that is taking personal shots in order to disprove the results shown on here (Alinsky tactics). It's comical, I think they'd make a mess of their shorts hearing this lol.

 

[Hoove]

More 77 gr TMK and 223 and less other bullets and cartridges like the thread began maybe?

( Not saying the experience with other bullets isn't interesting and worthwhile )

I’d like to see some comparisons between 77SMK and 75 gr Hornady Match?

 

[ARK_Ginger]

I’d like to see some comparisons between 77SMK and 75 gr Hornady Match?

Neither are ideal for hunting so you’re unlikely to see many comparisons.

 

[Hoove]

Navy Weapons Center seems to think the M262 (77SMK) is good for putting bg in a grave. Physically a deer shouldn’t be anymore difficult.

 

[Formidilosus]

Navy Weapons Center seems to think the M262 (77SMK) is good for putting bg in a grave. Physically a deer shouldn’t be anymore difficult.

You’re leaving out a massive amount of information in order to greatly oversimplify something to fit your beliefs.
First- it’s not 2001. What was “great” in comparison 22 years ago, isn’t great anymore. Second- you’re using an entity that issued very poor FMJ and said they killed just fine as well. Third, the MK262 Mod1 contract is no more due to relatively poor terminal behavior in comparison to the current issued ammunition, and the perceived lessened need for a match accurate round. Forth- and the big one; the US MIL- all entities understand very little about terminal ballistics, and the very few places that have some idea, is only rudimentary.

No place that has a choice about what ammo they shoot, chooses to use 77gr SMK’s anymore.

 

[Hoove]

You’re leaving out a massive amount of information in order to greatly oversimplify something to fit your beliefs.
First- it’s not 2001. What was “great” in comparison 22 years ago, isn’t great anymore. Second- you’re using an entity that issued very poor FMJ and said they killed just fine as well. Third, the MK262 Mod1 contract is no more due to relatively poor terminal behavior in comparison to the current issued ammunition, and the perceived lessened need for a match accurate round. Forth- and the big one; the US MIL- all entities understand very little about terminal ballistics, and the very few places that have some idea, is only rudimentary.

No place that has a choice about what ammo they shoot, chooses to use 77gr SMK’s anymore.

You’re correct to a point. It’s like the analyst question my wife’s asks. “How the heck did pioneers feed their families with worn 36 cal rifles and no CLP fir lube”? Lol
Old Paco the lever rifle guru kept venison on the table back in his impoverished days with 38 spl hand cast out of a worn out ‘92 lever gun.
So I’d suspect an accurate high velocity 224 will put em on the table with a reasonably talented rifleman.

 

[Huntsalot]

I shot a big doe on Sunday with a .223 Federal Tactical 77 TMK. 100yd shot. Small entrance and the bullet was resting underneath the hide on the far shoulder. Very minimal blood trail but the deer only went 30-40yds on a death run. Lungs were jello.

 

[Formidilosus]

You’re correct to a point. It’s like the analyst question my wife’s asks. “How the heck did pioneers feed their families with worn 36 cal rifles and no CLP fir lube”? Lol
Old Paco the lever rifle guru kept venison on the table back in his impoverished days with 38 spl hand cast out of a worn out ‘92 lever gun.
So I’d suspect an accurate high velocity 224 will put em on the table with a reasonably talented rifleman.

The problem with the 77gr SMK (SMK’s and some other OTM’s in general), isn’t wound channel size- it’s variability. Sometimes they upset nearly ideally- yawing and beginning to fragment within an inch of penetration, creating a wide wound. Sometimes they penetrate 3-6” then yaw and fragment. But just as often they penetrate 5-6” yaw and do not fragment appreciably.

I have killed hundreds with SMK’s, including a bunch with MK262 Mod1 and variability in tissue is the main reason I don’t prefer them.

75gr Hornady HPBT are more consistent in tissue and a better choice for that reason. They still often produce a longer neck length in tissue than ideal, but generally do fragment.

 

[ACHILLES]

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