.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[Lawnboi]

Yeah I ran some numbers on strelok and with a muzzle velocity of 3k it doesn’t break the 1700 mark until about 800 if I remember off hand.


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Beyond velocity at my intended ranges, seems like the 88s provide similar wind performance as it’s bigger brothers, with less recoil, in a short barrel. I don’t expect barrel life to be spectacular though.

Will be nice to go from a 4 to a 6mph gun in my home environment. And being that it’s a pretty flat round it should do me well on ranging errors in the field.

 

[Jake Leibke]

Iv got some of those to give a go for coyotes and varmints. I’m worried they will be a bit explosive at over 3K

Not sure on explosiveness but a local gun shop owner shoots them at 3600 out of his 22 creed. I think a 24” barrel. Says they don’t move after being hit with one.


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[Ryan Avery]

Another elk. This one at very low impact velocity. 1,440fps impact. 77gr TMK. First shot was through scapula, high lung, second shot back of ribs and broke the spine. Total distance traveled was 30’ish yards.



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Still upsetting quite well-

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Did you do a ladder test with that rifle?


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[Lawnboi]

Not sure on explosiveness but a local gun shop owner shoots them at 3600 out of his 22 creed. I think a 24” barrel. Says they don’t move after being hit with one.


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Good to know. As noted above the 75 gives me the same wind number out to my intended range, so it’s an option. I’ll probably break the barrel in with 75 eldm and see what they do.

 

[black dawg]

Did you do a ladder test with that rifle?


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When you asked this, I pictured Form dropping a rifle off the top of a ladder.....

 

[Justin Crossley]

When you asked this, I pictured Form dropping a rifle of off the top of a ladder.....

In that case, the answer would be yes.

 

[FCCDerek]

Iv got some of those to give a go for coyotes and varmints. I’m worried they will be a bit explosive at over 3K

If he's got a 7 twist barrel why step down longer range performance for nearly the same cost? 88's are available everywhere. And if hes keeping it under 3100 fps or so his barrel life will be pretty good especially if he's not ripping off shots back to back to back all the time.

 

[Lawnboi]

If he's got a 7 twist barrel why step down longer range performance for nearly the same cost? 88's are available everywhere. And if hes keeping it under 3100 fps or so his barrel life will be pretty good especially if he's not ripping off shots back to back to back all the time.

Iv got 500 88s on the way.

I’m hoping to keep them around 3000 to avoid spinning them too fast.

 

[Axlrod]

Not sure on explosiveness but a local gun shop owner shoots them at 3600 out of his 22 creed. I think a 24” barrel. Says they don’t move after being hit with one.


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Peterson Brass did some pressure testing with a universal receiver and the 22 Creed.
A 90 grain bullet @ 3350 fps was 84,693 psi
An 80 grain bullet @ 3500 fps was 77,343 psi
and at @3700 fps the 80 grain was 83,818 psi
There is no SAMMI for the 22 Creed, but max pressure in both 6&6.5 creed is 62,000 psi
Not trying to start a fight just trying to save someone some trouble.

22 Creedmoor Load Data

Since its’ inception, in 2007 by Hornady, the 6.5 Creedmoor has seen some pretty meteoric growth in popularity. That growth continues as of this writing, as the cartridge has now gone mainstream with hunters and shooters alike. As the popularity of the 6.5 Creedmoor has increased, so has the...

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[Lawnboi]

Seems like a lot of guys are really pushing on the 22 creed. My plan is to not redline it.

 

[BjornF16]

Seems like a lot of guys are really pushing on the 22 creed. My plan is to not redline it.

I got 100 rounds of 88 ELD-M from UM while waiting on components.

Their load card says 3250 fps…my LabRadar says 3050 (22” barrel). Hopefully she speeds up

 

[Lawnboi]

I got 100 rounds of 88 ELD-M from UM while waiting on components.

Their load card says 3250 fps…my LabRadar says 3050 (22” barrel). Hopefully she speeds up

Honestly out of 16” I’ll be happy with 2900.

At that velocity it carries the same wind number as my 20” 6.5cm. Ad should be stupid easy to shoot.

 

[ARK_Ginger]

I intended on posting this awhile ago, anyways 75gr ELD atop 25gr of varget 2.420 oal through a tikka lite. Shot was approximately 75 yards. In order; entry with front shoulder removed, off side with bullet under skin, and recovered bullet. I was impressed with how quickly the ELD expanded with a several inch hole there in the ribs. He maybe went 10 yards.

 

[ARK_Ginger]

I need you people to start liking 75gr ELDs so I can have a chance at buying 77gr TMKs whenever sierra decides to make them again

 

[chamois]

Exits on three does (roe deer) shot with 75gr ELDM bullets from a 5,6x50R at 285, 365, and 420 yards.
MV was 2,920 fps when loaded with 26,0 gr of Norma 202 in RWS cases and BR4 primers.

 

[Jimbee]

208yds 77tmk. 2 shots. Both fatal.

 

[chamois]

Today I shot another two roe deer does with the same 75gr ELD’s at a MV of 2,920 fps in my 5,6x50R in very different circumstances and this is how the bullets performed.
The first shot was taken at 363 yds, slightly quartering away, and the bullet touched no bone on its entry missing the rib. The bullet broke two ribs on its way out and both lungs presented a lot of damage, more the offside than the onside one.

The second doe I shot quartering on from 86 yds and hit her at the point of the shoulder. The lung of the entry side was pulp but there was still a lot of damage in the opposite one. The bullet still managed to pass through the hole in which I plugged in the stick por the picture.

In my opinion they performed quite well in very different circumstances.

 

[Hurley88]

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Shows 1:8

But when I look at that product SKU on europtic it says 1:10. I guess we're all waiting on pins and needles to see! I personally can't get the thought out of my head that I need one of the 1:8 22-250 models.

Mine’s arriving 1/17, I’ll measure as soon as it’s in my hands. Heck I’ll probably measure it at the FFL.

 

[wind gypsy]

Thanks to @Formidilosus and everyone for a very informative thread.

I saw these Federal Tactical 77 TMK was in stock and ordered some. Although blue rather than green tip seems like the same TMK. Hope it helps someone looking.

Federal Premium 223 Remington 77 Grain Tactical Tru Sierra Matchking Tipped

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Anyone shot any of this stuff? I cant find time for the load bench and was ready to pull the trigger but it's gone now..

 

[Trackselk]

I haven't made it all the way through this beast yet, but, before I lose my thought and patience (been chewing through this thread slowly for months). I've gotta ask the experts; what do you think of a barnes or better yet an absolute hammer or black hills dual performance through a shoulder vs your beloved TMK (NOT through the shoulder I assume?)? I'm thinking elk or big muleys... Just curious, I won't be setting down my new 6.5cm for this (got it for open country out to 500 yards IF I can make the grade at the range), but I have downgraded my 4lb contender from 30-30 to .223 for small spring black bears, thanks to this thread. I shoot monos for the birds and kids, and haven't lost an elk with barnes, but switching to dual performance, or A hammers if the DP's don't perform. Thanks for the thread!

*Edit. And with the shoulder shots, how does the meat damage compare between the two? Monos on shoulder vs tmk in the ribs?
My limited experience with barnes (150 gr. .308), I've killed about 7 elk, and 5-7 deer, never hit a shoulder on the way in, and I only remember hitting one shoulder on the way out, and the meat damage wasn't nearly as bad as a lead bullet. I'm patient and shoot through the lungs, but always up for improvement...