.204 arrow without outsert or collar?

[307]

Is there a .204 arrow that's simple, no outsert, no collar. I currently shoot a GT Hunter XT. Would like a skinnier shaft for wind purposes, but hate the idea of buying a high maintenance system prone to problems.

Axis? Airstrike? Something else?

Thanks

 

[mtbshark]

You can get any 204 Arrow and put a Hit insert in em


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[GMC]

I'm shooting GT kinetic kaos arrows with collars currently and there's nothing high maintenance about them. Tough as nails! Shooting the same dozen ( minus 4 that I lost ) for 2 yrs now and I shoot a lot! If you want high maintenance use a hit insert.

 

[jlaner0408]

You can get any 204 Arrow and put a Hit insert in em


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This. Or instead of hits, go with ethics archery components.

 

[mtbshark]

This. Or instead of hits, go with ethics archery components.

Yes but the OP stated he is not interested in outsert of any type.


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[Don Qui Puncher]

I don't see how the HIT system is high maintenance, put the glue on insert and pop it in with the tool, its pretty foolproof o me.

 

[5MilesBack]

I don't see how the HIT system is high maintenance, put the glue on insert and pop it in with the tool, its pretty foolproof o me.

Yep. Least maintenance of any insert system I've ever used. Been using HIT's in several manufacturer's .204" arrows over the last 12 years without issue. Love the smooth transition between points and the arrow shaft.

 

[jlaner0408]

Ethics components for .204 shafts are half outs and are far superior to just about any outsert on the market. I’d consider them better than hits because you at least have a leading head of stainless steel protecting the front edges of your arrow.

 

[doverpack12]

I’m still searching for the best 204 insert system. For me HITs are not the best or worst. The HIT will fail on direct impact. I haven’t found a bomb proof half out yet even the stainless ones will bend. Some are better than others but none are as durable as the standard 246 inserts. The one insert for 204 that has shown promise is the Easton RPS (like a traditional) deep six insert. I haven’t made the switch to deep six so all I have is field points but they have been very durable.

 

[mtbshark]

The new FOC from black eagle is the forerunner in my opinion. Strong and modular.
The ethics is close but I didn’t like the tolerance’s and felt the overlap was a tad short.

My $.02


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[Bill V]

I really like the .204 size arrows. With the inside diameter being the same as the broadhead shank, the choices are an outsert, half-out, or HIT insert. They each have trade-offs, but I like the HIT insert to keep the broadhead mounted in the arrow instead of cantilevered out front, along with the Iron Will Impact Collar over the shaft for reinforcement. We are working on an improved system related to this and hope to announce next month.

 

[5MilesBack]

Ethics components for .204 shafts are half outs and are far superior to just about any outsert on the market. I’d consider them better than hits because you at least have a leading head of stainless steel protecting the front edges of your arrow.

Wouldn't a stainless steel ferrule BH also be that "leading head of SS protecting the front edges of your arrow"? Whether you have an outsert up against the front of the arrow, or your have a BH or washer up against the front of the arrow........is there a difference? The force impacted on the end of the carbon arrow should be the same regardless whether it's an outsert or a head.

 

[jlaner0408]

Wouldn't a stainless steel ferrule BH also be that "leading head of SS protecting the front edges of your arrow"? Whether you have an outsert up against the front of the arrow, or your have a BH or washer up against the front of the arrow........is there a difference? The force impacted on the end of the carbon arrow should be the same regardless whether it's an outsert or a head.

I don’t have any hard proof, but in my pea brain, it makes more sense that an arrow would have a little more protection with a 1/2” of stainless riding directly behind the ferrule of a broadhead. In theory, it wouldn’t matter if all the beating is going into the end of the arrow, but the half outs also create a slightly larger wound entry channel as well (although this is another unsubstantiated claim shared by many).

I just like the design of their half outs over the hits because they’re stronger, heavier, and pack more of a wallop. We could probably argue about this all day though. Whatever the op chooses, if it were between those two, it’s hard to beat either stainless half outs or brass hits.

 

[doncarpenter]

For .204 arrows I have found the firenock aeroinsert A (A1A20A) to be the most durable and concentric insert/halfout. I have only used the aluminum version because the stainless steel is just a little too expensive.

https://www.firenock.com/aia

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[doverpack12]

I really like the .204 size arrows. With the inside diameter being the same as the broadhead shank, the choices are an outsert, half-out, or HIT insert. They each have trade-offs, but I like the HIT insert to keep the broadhead mounted in the arrow instead of cantilevered out front, along with the Iron Will Impact Collar over the shaft for reinforcement. We are working on an improved system related to this and hope to announce next month.

Bill how well do the impact collars pull out of bag or homemade targets? I’ve found any lip at all no matter how small makes removing arrows from those targets a major pain and sometimes just have to resort to pushing through.

 

[nphunter]

Bill how well do the impact collars pull out of bag or homemade targets? I’ve found any lip at all no matter how small makes removing arrows from those targets a major pain and sometimes just have to resort to pushing through.

Not as easy as an arrow without a collar. Any collar or tip of any kind wider than the shaft is harder to pull. Shoot foam targets and they aren’t an issue.

 

[MattB]

I don’t have any hard proof, but in my pea brain, it makes more sense that an arrow would have a little more protection with a 1/2” of stainless riding directly behind the ferrule of a broadhead. In theory, it wouldn’t matter if all the beating is going into the end of the arrow, but the half outs also create a slightly larger wound entry channel as well (although this is another unsubstantiated claim shared by many).

I just like the design of their half outs over the hits because they’re stronger, heavier, and pack more of a wallop. We could probably argue about this all day though. Whatever the op chooses, if it were between those two, it’s hard to beat either stainless half outs or brass hits.

IMO the 1/2" of stainless would just give the BH more leverage against the shaft on an angled hit. That is worse.

 

[Trial153]

IMO the 1/2" of stainless would just give the BH more leverage against the shaft on an angled hit. That is worse.

In the last 15 years or so of footing shafts I have found the opposite is true. Footed shafts have held up way better to lateral force applied via the broadhead.

 

[Big Sneaky]

I'm running HIT brass inserts in Victory RIP shafts. Been a great combo for me.

 

[Hoot]

I really like the .204 size arrows. With the inside diameter being the same as the broadhead shank, the choices are an outsert, half-out, or HIT insert. They each have trade-offs, but I like the HIT insert to keep the broadhead mounted in the arrow instead of cantilevered out front, along with the Iron Will Impact Collar over the shaft for reinforcement. We are working on an improved system related to this and hope to announce next month.

I’m hoping your improved system related to this includes something for the 4mm shafts too!

To contribute to the thread, brass hit in an fmj is what I’m running, I’ll be switching to either carbon injexion or an axis shaft next year, depends on what’s brought to market for 4mm shafts...