2025 Mathew’s Bows

[wapitibob]

Yea, I didn't think about high letoff and no string tension.

 

[jonesn3]

Anybody have a brief description of how the limb shift works? Maybe I missed it? The Lancaster review claimed it “moved the cam” whereas I’ve seen elsewhere it micro adjusts the spacing between inside of the limb and the cam…so it adjusts the span on one side, and therefore cam lean, due to changes in relative deflection between limb tips? Just curious, seems nicer that top hats (no experience)

I do really enjoy my Bowtech’s with deadlock cam adjustments…curious to see what they come out with next week.

 

[Billy Goat]

Anybody have a brief description of how the limb shift works? Maybe I missed it? The Lancaster review claimed it “moved the cam” whereas I’ve seen elsewhere it micro adjusts the spacing between inside of the limb and the cam…so it adjusts the span on one side, and therefore cam lean, due to changes in relative deflection between limb tips? Just curious, seems nicer that top hats (no experience)

I do really enjoy my Bowtech’s with deadlock cam adjustments…curious to see what they come out with next week.

It adjusts the limb opposite the cable guard, moves it in and out, which basically effects the tension it applies to the cable. Which adjusts the cam lean. Moving the limb closer to the cam, gives it less leverage, moving it away from the cam gives it more leverage.

 

[AkRyan]

Dealers are going to L.O.V.E that they have to stock 4 models now. Absolutely LOVE it.

That Shale color sure is pretty though.

Yes just like having to stock multiple sizes of shirts......

 

[Marshfly]

Yes just like having to stock multiple sizes of shirts......

Catch up bro. I didn't realize they got rid of the Prima, Image, and that long DL bow.

I personally think dumping the Image(or not putting the low poundage limbs on the 29.5) was dumb BTW. Normal draw length people shooting lower poundage are probably going to be put off by a 27.75" ATA. I know my wife would.

 

[thisguy]

This might be the one that gets me to upgrade from my VXR 31.5... in a year, if they prove durable, when the market gets flooded with 1 year old used bows haha.

The main advantage to me would be broadhead tuning at home with cam lean instead of my rest. My pro shop gets things close but not perfect and it always bothers me moving my rest. Other small things like a quieter shot, lighter weight, and tighter to center accessories are great but so far I haven't found an animal that cared about such

 

[Jmiller_outside]

I keep kicking my shoulder surgery down the road and got some more injections last week. They told me no more and I should be getting it fixed up early Feb. Probably would line up with perfect delivery time for a 55lb Lift and then all I think has to be done is changing the mods as I get stronger.

Good luck with the surgery, I'm tossing around the idea of labrum surgery on my left shoulder...I own the Lift from last year (already put an order in for the tuning upgrade on the X 33 model) and can tell you the mods are incredible. If you happen to live by a reputable bow shop, they will trade you mods out for free which is a game changer. I can shoot low poundage in the winter months and hike up as needed depending on the hunt. And since I shoot the 33, I can leave it at home for a backcountry hunt and just swap mods in my wife's setup and have a super short and light setup.

 

[sndmn11]

@Billy Goat educate me on what my limb choices are and what draw weight ranges they each cover?

I'd always thought there was a single limb choices, but I think I read something yesterday that there were more than one peak set of limbs?

 

[Ho5tile1]

The guy in the FB post with the limb issue has responded and says it was not a press issue he was drawing the bow back to set peep height and it happened. Mathews wanted the entire bow back and will send him a new one turns out the box the bow came in was damaged and the guy already has his new bow. So maybe it had damage in shipping??? Must have been some bad damage for that to happen and I’d be asking my employees who excepted that package like that..I’m still gonna get me one if I like it when I shoot it… if not it will be a Darton or a Hoyt..


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[Billy Goat]

@Billy Goat educate me on what my limb choices are and what draw weight ranges they each cover?

I'd always thought there was a single limb choices, but I think I read something yesterday that there were more than one peak set of limbs?

Only on the short bow, the 27ish ATA do they offer 2 sets of limbs.




I guess the lightweight limbs are offering only a 50# mod that you can then back off 9# to get down to 41#?


A 33 will still drop down to 45#, they have had a 55# mod, and you can usually swing 10#.


I haven't played with them much.

I'm interested in the little RS, but my peep height I'll need to pull speed buttons and serving to shoot one. But I think it would be a fun little late season bow. Shoot around 55#., still keep my speed up, hopefully arrow won't bounce off.

 

[rodney482]

How big of a tear can you fix?

2”

 

[sndmn11]

2”

Is there still top hat swapping on the stationary side as well if there's a mondo adjustment needed?

 

[rodney482]

Is there still top hat swapping on the stationary side as well if there's a mondo adjustment needed?

nope

 

[rodney482]

 

[ddowning]

I'm interested in the lift x, but the draw wasn't all that amazing, for me anyway. The Lift from last had a fairly stiff front end to me. I find that yes you do get used to the draw, but when it's cold and you have to draw slow to minimize movement that's when it stands out. I was hoping mathews would go into the 34-35 ATA range, but then it would interfere with their target line and the ability to charge $700 more for the target bow if I want that long of an ATA.

I am more inclined to try the Darton Sequel ST2 35. I really wanted something in the 34-35 ATA range. I have no interest in the hoyts this year. Bowtech has me curious if they have something that is 34 ATA with an SS cam and the time lock.... I'm not a speed guy so all these bows with the stiff front end i'm not drawn too. And I'm a short ish 27.5-28 in draw so I have no desire to go to 75-80lbs peak weight either. I know I am a short draw for that long of a riser/ATA, but I like the stability and hunt out west.

I'm drawn to the smooth easy draw bows. I have never shot Darton and the tech looks great. I'm considering looking for a used Bowtech SS34 (especially if the new bowtech doesn't wow me): If anyone has a Kuiu verde version they want to sell PM me....

My last 3 bows have been PSE carbon air with the evolve cam 2016 version (was a dream, but sold it), then the bowtech revolt x, then v3x 33. I made the Revolt my backup to the v3x33, but sold the v3x33 earlier this year thinking I would tinker with the revolt till new bows came out then sell it too. BUT the revolt is just amazing and I realized again why I bought it in the first place, which has me thinking....are any of the new bows that much better....

Probably not. Just bought a last years rx8u in October. Last bow as a 2002 Bowtech Patriot. After drawing 80# on the rx8u, 76# on the patriot feels like 50#. They claim these bows are smooth drawing, but they are referring to the dump at the valley. On a draw board, my scale hits 80# almost immediately. That arrow speed has to come from somewhere, but I only picked up 8fps. I will say, the vibe at the shot is waaaayyy less and the balance and pin float are also light years better. Also less twisting strings and cables to set it up with 1/4" increment mods. Also, not holding an ice brick is nice and is really the entire reason I shelled out the Benjamin's.

I'm happy, but it's not going to kill any better than the old bow. Compared to the 20 yo tech the draw cycle is aggressive and the increase in arrow speed is marginal. The advances have come in vibration reduction and shootability...and warmer hands.

As far as the new bows, everyone is trying to get press fee tuning. I feel it is just more to go wrong. After that, everyone is trying to do the same things in a little different way to carve out a share of the market.

 

[Marshfly]

Is there still top hat swapping on the stationary side as well if there's a mondo adjustment needed?

If a Mathews with a not broken integrated rest mounted to center shot needs more than a 2" horizontal tear fixed there is most likely something else wrong with the bow setup entirely IMHO or the archer needs to fix his form and learn to shoot correctly and not torque the bow. I haven't seen a lot but the one's I've seen and from speaking with the shop I buy from often properly setup bows are SUPER close with a torque free archer.

Maybe I'm totally wrong though.

I wouldn't be surprised if they are coming closer to "right" from the factory in the first place also.

 

[ddowning]

That’s what I don’t love about it, I screw around with stuff too much as it is, I don’t need it to be easier.

Archery is a very simple and straightforward weapon choice, once you get everything dialed in with a common sense arrow build, it makes the most sense to quit screwing with stuff, leave it alone and just shoot and gain familiarity in your setup

I don’t want that process to be too easy to change on the fly, because I will tinker. I think the cam/limbs/limb pocket tuning is cool, but I don’t think it makes a bow better for me, which is completely my fault

I would love to see Hoyt jump in the mix, but use the APA approach, and make it easy to break down the whole bow with no press, that would probably turn me into a Hoyt fanboy, because that’s my favorite system out for press-less tuning. I don’t see it happening, but it would add value to me

I hope Hoyt keeps doing what they are doing. I want the most reliable system out there with no bells and whistles. I don't give a rip about marketing gobbledygook. I just want to be able to neglect my bow and still depend on it. I also want a well balanced, low lateral torsion bow that has minimal pin float. Hoyt is pretty good at that.

If I get all those things, I can deal with needing a press and a draw board.

 

[Billy Goat]

nope

You sure?

Looks like a top hat in there? I haven't heard one way or the other for certain. And don't always trust youtube.

Haven't pulled one apart.

Hopefully they are set close enough from the factory you don't need ny swapping if it is still a thing. But that was really hit or miss before on being close at all.


Edit:
I'm only asking because it seems like it's a wide movement, however with it only effecting one limb I'd think you need to move it twice as far if not more since it's weak side. So seems like movement won't be as drastic as top hat change before.

 

[roosiebull]

I hope Hoyt keeps doing what they are doing. I want the most reliable system out there with no bells and whistles. I don't give a rip about marketing gobbledygook. I just want to be able to neglect my bow and still depend on it. I also want a well balanced, low lateral torsion bow that has minimal pin float. Hoyt is pretty good at that.

If I get all those things, I can deal with needing a press and a draw board.

I’m with ya. Hoyt is always solid, I have shot them more than any brand and never had a problem, I even liked the Hoyt’s on the years that most didn’t (I would have zero issues shooting an rx1 for the rest of my days)

I also seem to prefer the only Mathews that have problems (chill era and now) my prime is sitting there ready to rock if my Mathews becomes a statistic, but I doubt that will happen.

I’m shooting 28.5” @63#, with a 520gr arrow, so it has a pretty easy life for limbs

 

[jonesn3]

It adjusts the limb opposite the cable guard, moves it in and out, which basically effects the tension it applies to the cable. Which adjusts the cam lean. Moving the limb closer to the cam, gives it less leverage, moving it away from the cam gives it more leverage.

Just listened to GoHunts podcast on the Mathews new bows, the Mathews guy basically said the same thing: left side limb and cam are fixed, limb shift micro adjusts the spacing of the mod-side limb which changes the loading and therefore the cam lean. About 24:10 into the podcast: